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someone getting your digital pictures from Zazzle

Rena — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 00:00:09 GMT

I have someone who is starting a business with applying my papers to jackets.

She is getting my designs from Zazzle and posting on her new business page.

She didn't ask me if she could do that.

She wasn't even adding my logo on the pictures and I told her she needed to add it.

I told her I would create a watermark and show her how to use Canva.

This is one of the photos on her page.

She did start putting RHDesigns, AFTER I told her to until I could create a watermark for her to use like I used. I just type mine in Canva when I need it. but I created one that was transparent for her to use.

RHDesigns

2chattychicks.

It would be centered though and uniform.

She told me she wasn't going to do that.

I would like to know professional opinions.

THE PHOTO I uploaded she has the description or name of the photo I have done BUT it is bold black and my name is in light gray and not spelled how it is on Zazzle. As you can see she has R_H_Designs and Zazzle is completely on the other side of the page. NO ONE will find me the way she has it and most people aren't going to wonder about the RHDesigns on the photo.

IF SHE had put the description Bohemian Eclectic Giraffe by RHDesigns on Zazzle .com all in bold I would not have thought much about it.

thank you

Rena

Re: someone getting your digital pictures from Zazzle

MOM — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 03:10:09 GMT

@RenaI'm a little confused. Is she an affiliate of Zazzle marketing your designs or did she just lift your design work?

Re: someone getting your digital pictures from Zazzle

ColsCreations — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 03:55:55 GMT

I'm not understanding either? RHDesigns is your store. It sounds like you are collaborating with another party to sell your work off-Zazzle somewhere and are having a disagreement over how to display your watermark?

Re: someone getting your digital pictures from Zazzle

orientcourt — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 09:15:02 GMT

How did she approach you about your designs? Did she ask you if she could use them for her business? Why did you help her to create a watermark Rena? Have you reached out to her about your price for this image to be reproduced on Jackets ect ? Amazing Giraffe artwork ! Value your work, unfortunately most of us don't ! Up your price for unique works Jillian

Re: someone getting your digital pictures from Zazzle

Rena — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 10:35:42 GMT

No she is not an affiliate of Zazzle.

She is just a customer.

She told me she had an idea and during all of this I had radiation and was sick for several days. Then she told me she finally had her business page up and it wasn't until several days later I realized what she was doing. USING MY PICTURES from Zazzle to apply to jackets and sell her jackets without giving me any credit other than what you see above in the photo. People that don't know aren't doing to know who RHDesigns is. That is why I always put by 2chattychicks. What she has at the bottom of the paper is not how I am listed on Zazzle so that is her misleading because you can't even hardly see the R_H_Designs at the bottom is is so light gray. It should read in bold letters like the name of the designs like this RHDesigns at Zazzle.com

I hope this makes more sense.

She is taking my designs and putting them on blue jean jackets like the photo above. That is fine is she wants to do that AFTER SHE purchases the papers. That was my thinking. Not going to my Zazzle store and screen shooting them for her own use. IF she had put my logo and mentioned where she got them I wouldn't care.

In the meantime she went ahead with her idea, built a Facebook business page and started getting my designs off of my Zazzle store. I didn't realize she was going to do this NOR was I under the impression that she was not going to add my link to my Zazzle store.

When I created this as my logo because that is what I use and my friends use when they show my work. SHE said she wasn't doing that. She was only doing what was in the photo above and she wasn't adding a link to my Zazzle store.

I told her that if she was going to use my photos she needed to put a watermark on them. The watermark I made for her is the one I made for with my logo for her to place on all of the photos she had. She told me she wasn't going to use it or do anymore than she already was.

So the way I see it @MOM @orientcourt @ColsCreations she is lifting my designs on her own. She never once asked me if she could do that.

This was her response to me after I sent her the watermark above and stated the fact once in a while I was going to hop over and drop my link. All of my friends and followers when they show my designs they always have my logo like above and the link to my Zazzle store.

Rena I need to say what's on my mind because I'm not happy with what you want me to do. I'm not a distributor for you I'm not getting things at cost. I put your RHDesigns across every picture showing that you did the design and at the bottom of the picture it states the name of the tissue, the designer and it's with Zazzle.com That's all I'm going to do. If my customer want to go buy it after seeing what's at the bottom of that picture then they can go buy it. I was promoting your tissues by my jackets not by selling tissues. I can always go and get other tissues from other people but I was exclusively going to be using yours to help with your business. I'm not part of RHDesigns crew and nor am I interested. I'm not going to put a link directing them to you. I feel I've benefited you more than most I've done more on my pictures than some of your people that haven't put anything on them. I'm not trying to sell tissues I'm trying to sell my jackets. If that doesn't work let me know and I'll go in another direction. Thanks

Yesterday morning I asked her this

Morning. I am covered up with lots going on but how are you getting the photos?

Her response was--- Zazzle.

To explain her note to you so you will understand what she is referring to

"I'm not a distributor for you I'm not getting things at cost."

Again what she has on the papers is misleading with my Zazzle name and it isn't written correctly and so light colored you can't see it.

"promoting your tissues by my jackets not by selling tissues"

without my logo watermark on every photo and the bottom of the page correctly and adding my link once in a while would be promoting. She is only promoting selling her jackets.

'm not part of RHDesigns crew

there were a couple of girls that asked me if they could be content creators for me and I was honored and they actually wanted nothing in return but I send them a set of papers once a month. We promote them and have fun contest. So I created a comical cartoon characters of us and We named ourselves RHDesigns Crew. Buy the way, they came up with the name. I also created a logo watermark for us and when we do the contest I have them add their own logo watermark and then they use the RHDesings Crew on the things that they have created with the papers. AND ALWAYS add my Zazzle store link. NO Matter where they share it to.

"I'm not going to put a link directing them to you."

Not much I can say to this so I will see what or how you would feel about this comment

"I feel I've benefited you more than most I've done more on my pictures than some of your people that haven't put anything on them."

On her personal page she has 207 friends and her new page she has 36 followers. She has shared my designs on her personal page, SOME. Yes I will give her credit for that but she in no way has done more for me and my store than MYSELF, MY FRIENDS and the RHDesigns crew. EVER.

"get other tissues from other people"

My question is to all of you would you allow her to use your designs with no recognition.

Is there a way to block someone from seeing your Zazzle store?

I know I am a chatter box so I tried to be very specific this time and more to the point and I hope this makes sense this time.

Thank you very much for taking the time to give me some sense of direction and how you would feel.

Rena

Re: someone getting your digital pictures from Zazzle

Rena — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 10:36:32 GMT

So as not to repeat will you be able to see my response in MOM questions?

Re: someone getting your digital pictures from Zazzle

Rena — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 10:46:22 GMT

I hope you will be able to read my response in MOM post.

OH MY GOSH thank you so much for that. I have been working for several years now putting all of this together not really know what I was going to do with it. It took me almost a year to get things figured out on Zazzle and i have only touched the surface of what I want to do.

God always has a plan. I have been battling cancer (breast cancer 2015) got through that and was still teaching furniture painting classes and DIY classes. Then lung cancer. Chemo every 3 weeks for 2.5 years and that wasn't working at all so now we are doing radiation. Multiple treatments with less visits. Like 35 treatments in 5. Talk about knock you for a loop. lolol

I say God's plan, that is when I decided it was time to let a lot of the teaching go and I am having blast with creating and with the girls who are helping me promote my stuff.

I have meet people all over the world and the Lord has connected me with people, that when I hear their stories I say what the H$ll to I have to complain about. lolol Then you meet those who you think are your friends only to manipulate. What is crazy they make you feel as though you have done something wrong. UGH..

thank you again for your kind words...

Rena

Re: someone getting your digital pictures from Zazzle

Barbara — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 12:12:53 GMT

Rena, it appears your good will and generosity have been taken advantage of. Quite simply, this person is stealing from you. You should probably send her a cease-and-desist letter, an example of which you can find here: https://www.formslaw.com/cease-and-desist To follow through likely requires a lawyer, which can be expensive, but sending such a letter might, we hope, give the thief pause.

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Re: someone getting your digital pictures from Zazzle

Fantabuloustef — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 18:19:55 GMT

I’m not an expert, and am not as good seller as you are on Zazzle, but I read your post above, and to me this person is just stealing your work. So, the first thing to do is to make her stop her business by sending the letter as said by Barbara, and the second problem is to understand how did she get your original art files from Zazzle. Do they look blur or of lower quality on her website ? Maybe she has just copied the screenshots. However, I think it would be good to alert Zazzle about that, give them as much technical and identity details you have about her, and the dates at which you first saw your designs online on her site. It’s important to try to understand if they have been hacked, if this person has a Zazzle account… To prevent this from happening again in the future. Good luck , I send you a lot of courage from France!

Re: someone getting your digital pictures from Zazzle

Barbara — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 20:08:49 GMT

Some people have successfully informed the web hosting company on which the thief has built their site, giving the details, the facts. Once upon a time, many of us did exactly that with Amazon, though it didn't work all that well since the thieves were, by and large, Chinese and thought nothing of having their stores shut down because they simply built new ones under different names.

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Re: someone getting your digital pictures from Zazzle

Rena — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 21:29:14 GMT

WELL she has now taken another's creators photos and using them. I could not let that go. I just couldn't because I would want someone to tell me. A friend helped me search and I found her. She is from the UK and she was not happy.

Re: someone getting your digital pictures from Zazzle

Rena — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 21:29:43 GMT

Just sickening.

Re: someone getting your digital pictures from Zazzle

Rena — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 21:54:20 GMT

I appreciate this. She is now using another creator on Zazzle. A friend helped me find her. To do the right thing I messaged her and told her. She had nothing saying whose they were. It almost sounds as though they are hers. Coy's the lady doing this.

I am going to do the letter.

She is clicking on the photos and screen shotting with her phone. I asked her how she was getting the or where and she said Zazzle. I had a friend do it and that is all you have to do. They are not blurry they are clear. Have someone do that with one of your designs.

I just went on my phone and did one just so you could see what she is doing.

I didn't crop it just so you could see. I went to your page on my phone clicked until I got to the photo I wanted and snapped shot of it with my phone.

No she has not been hacked. She just thinks she can do what ever she wants.

OH MY GOSH I want to come over...lol

Thank you so much for all the advice I really do appreciate it.

Rena

Re: someone getting your digital pictures from Zazzle

Barbara — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 23:35:18 GMT

@Rena wrote:
Just sickening.

But, unfortunately, not surprising.

If both you and the other designer you discovered go after this person, reporting her to the platform hosting her site, the host will take care of it. She's violating copyright law.

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Re: someone getting your digital pictures from Zazzle

Rena — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 23:40:49 GMT

The hosting site is Facebook lol They don't care about nothing but themselves and how long they can control you to stay on their platform. lol Not trying to be a snot. lol

Thank you But we are going to Zazzle about it.

Re: someone getting your digital pictures from Zazzle

CreativeLeahG — Sun, 27 Oct 2024 04:53:52 GMT

Is doing this?

Re: someone getting your digital pictures from Zazzle

ColsCreations — Sun, 27 Oct 2024 06:12:17 GMT

It think you may have found yourself in a real gray area.

It seems like this person's idea for her business was to sell denim jackets decoupaged by her with tissue paper, using your tissue paper. I'm not sure? there's anything legally wrong with that unless she's claiming credit for making the actual tissue paper design and not just the finished jacket she made using it. ((Ethically though she should def be crediting you.) If that's what's she trying to do, then she'd have to buy the tissue paper from you to make the jackets to sell. But it sounds like she's lifting images from your Z store, making her own "mock-ups" of what they'd look like on a jacket, and posting those images? Or maybe she's not even making "mock-ups" and just posting your images by themselves? And then if someone wants to order one I guess she'd have to then order the paper from you first to make the jacket. That seems wholeheartedly different from posting pics of an actual finished jacket she made because she doesn't have your permission to use your images in that way, she only has your permission to use your actual tissue paper in her finished pieces she's selling.

You've got fabulous tissue paper art in your store and I'm guessing much of it is AI. NOTHING wrong with that, but AI art cant be copyrighted unless there's been enough human effort added to it to make it a derivative work. So taking someones else's AI generated art wouldn't legally be any different than taking a public domain image unless one could prove they added substantial effort of their own to it. Ethically it's reprehensible but legally - it's a gray area and a risk of using AI. It's also complicated because you gave her implicit permission to use your images and were only (at first) taking issue with how she was crediting you. Now that you've realized what is going on you want to roll that back but are kind of stuck because since shes not using the images on Zazzle, they can't do anything about it, and you're right that FB probably won't care enough to get involved. I think it's a sticky situation you'd need a lawyer for.

I am really sorry you've found yourself in this crummy situation during such a difficult time. Sending you best wishes for a positive outcome on all fronts.

Re: someone getting your digital pictures from Zazzle

Fantabuloustef — Sun, 27 Oct 2024 07:36:17 GMT

Very good analysis of the problem. I think the part that concerns AI generated pictures is very important and a not enough people are aware of it. It would be good to start a subject in its own right about it. Like on a lot of other POD platforms I see more and more AI generated pictures on Zazzle and very few creators are aware of the legal loopholes surrounding this activity.

Re: someone getting your digital pictures from Zazzle

MaggieA — Mon, 28 Oct 2024 07:49:09 GMT

I think part of the problem is Zazzle definition of the generativecontent tag, that the tag should be used on "all designs that contain AI-generated content as part of the final composition". So if I make a background with AI, and then adds a motif drawn by hand upon that background, I have to use the tag generativecontent. But the whole image is not AI generated, just part of it. If someone comes along and considers all AI images to be copyright free, they will never know which products are 100% AI or just 20% AI.
(In my book stealing is stealing but that is not how the world works anymore.)

Re: someone getting your digital pictures from Zazzle

Rena — Mon, 28 Oct 2024 11:18:00 GMT

I totally agree. We are having a phone conversation tomorrow.

Thank you so much