topic Re: Blooming Elegant Auto Substitutions Example in General Zazzle Discussion

Blooming Elegant Auto Substitutions Example

Connie — Fri, 05 Aug 2022 22:18:18 GMT

Here is a comparison as they automatically change over the Blooming Elegant Family. The Sans font was already typed in all caps, so it doesn't look too bad with Dongle. So far, I the ones I have that were not already all caps, have not been changed, so I don't know how that will go.

I do like the J better on Blooming Elegant, and also the fact that it was a more uniform thickness. while Morgana looks more elegant, it also tends to not be so visible in the thumbnail because of the thinner up-strokes. Overall, it's a pretty good match though, and I'm happy they found another font with universal tails.

Here's a comparison with tails:

Re: Blooming Elegant Auto Substitutions Example

CreativeLeahG — Fri, 05 Aug 2022 22:22:33 GMT

I have just noted changes too and so far I am mainly happy with the results so am beginning to relax!

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Cat — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 00:16:44 GMT

Looks better than I was anticipating! Hopefully it won't be a huge problem. Still holding my breath on the symbol fonts though.

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Jolanda — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 07:32:12 GMT

I'm very sorry to see the blooming elegant font go, I liked it much better than the replacement. I think the replacement is more generic and less grounded.

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Barbara — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 10:48:02 GMT

I like Morgana better simply because the 'a' is closed, no longer looking like a 'u'.

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CrazyMermaid — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 12:27:55 GMT

Morgana is much more elegant than Blooming Elegant. I never liked Blooming Elegant on invites and barely used it. However, I do like the change where I did. It fits my style much better.

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lewister — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 13:40:32 GMT

Ugh. I use the Blooming Elegant sans serif a lot and probably randomly type it in in capitals since that was its default. Good to see if you did type in all caps, it looks OK. I'm exhausted thinking about going back to fix things.

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VivianD117 — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 13:59:28 GMT

Do the tails auto add themselves where you already had the right coding in place? And, do we think the same coding will work with the new fonts? Thanks, your examples are very helpful.

Re: Blooming Elegant Auto Substitutions Example

KathyB — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 16:40:30 GMT

Sue Ellen Francisco is the update for the blooming elegant hand font:

Welcome to our Patch with Name Autumn Pumpkins
by Spindle_and_Rye

Re: Blooming Elegant Auto Substitutions Example

GabrielaG — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 16:42:25 GMT

Hi Vivian the tails have been added in the right space, but I have found some issues with them. Initially they look fine, but if a client changes the text several times the tail changes its style to a much longer tail that in some cases doesn't even fit in place and goes to the next line! I have some products where clients order several identical products with different names, once they add the different name the second or third time, the tail style changes!! Also I noticed that Zazzle is not always placing the new Morgana text in the same spot and this affects the design! I have some examples below.

I was very careful while designing this menu to leave enough space so all letters will fit without going over the last name, and now this font replacement messed it all up!

And that's not counting issue #3, now my cover photos don't match the product!

I hope Zazzle reconsiders. These issues will cause a huge amount of problems and questions from clients and ultimately reduce sales.

Many brides order these menus in batches now they won't be able to complete their menus to match, and when they come back to complete their order they will find out that the name tail is not working properly after a few tries! Guess what is going to happen, I will receive constant questions of very upset clients letting me know my design doesn't work!

Many of my best sellers have Blooming Elegant Script and Blooming Elegant Sans, and I do prefer the look of Blooming Elegant Script over Morgana. I don't like Morgana's spiky capital letters look ;-(

I will add this post in all the other Blooming Elegant threads so everyone gets informed.

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Marcia — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 17:33:46 GMT

@KathyB ugh

Re: Blooming Elegant Auto Substitutions Example

Laura — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 17:58:33 GMT

I'm seeing the same thing - the swashes change when the template is edited by the customer.

Here's a PID as an example: 256346179019267657

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Cat — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 19:14:06 GMT

It looks like the ascenders and descenders (or whatever the proper terminology is for how far the letters extend above and below the line) are bigger on Morgana than they were for Blooming Elegant Script, so it messes up designs like this because the tails on letters that extend beneath the line now cover up the text below. I've also got cases where I had the text placed right at the green safe line, so the increased height on some letters causes them to extend beyond the safe area.

Fortunately for me, it's only a dozen designs or so - but some of my best-selling business cards are impacted. I'm going to experiment with the new fonts and see if I can find a better replacement and then submit the changes for replacement. I'll let you know if I find something that works better in that regard. Sigh.

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KathyB — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 19:27:11 GMT

Yeah, Blooming Elegant was a good fit for this design. Unfortunately, I think it's hard to replace a font family with individual disconnected fonts.😐

Re: Blooming Elegant Auto Substitutions Example

Connie — Sun, 07 Aug 2022 00:17:44 GMT

I agree. The only thing I like better with Blooming Elegant vs. Morgana is that BE doesn't have so much contrast between the thick and thin strokes, so it shows up a bit better in the thumbnail.

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Connie — Sun, 07 Aug 2022 00:18:24 GMT

That's what I did too, and I was dreading having to retype everything in all caps!

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Connie — Sun, 07 Aug 2022 00:23:14 GMT

Oh, that's bad with the tails moving! Have you posted in technical issues, because this is definitely a technical issue?

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GabrielaG — Sun, 07 Aug 2022 00:49:24 GMT

Yes Connie, I already posted this in another thread going on in "technical issues" regarding this automatic font changes causing problems. Let's hope they get solved soon!

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GabrielaG — Sun, 07 Aug 2022 01:17:42 GMT

Thanks Cat. From what I can tell, Morgana has several ending tails. The design was originally changed to a shorter end tail that fit fine, similar to the one in Blooming Elegant Script. The issue came up when I played on template text box and tried it with different names, that is when it suddenly changed to a super long tail! And all names I tried after, kept adding a super long tail repeatedly, never went back to the original shorter tail ;-(

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Cat — Sun, 07 Aug 2022 02:37:13 GMT

Yeah - well, something weird is clearly going on with the special character swashes. They obviously had to change not only the font, but also which character it was (because the swashes in Blooming Elegant live in different spots in the unicode chart than the Morgana swashes.) But some of my designs have shown some really weird things - like the process got interrupted half way through or something. Check this one out. The font is still Blooming Elegant Script, but the swash characters have been changed so it looks like nonsense. If I change this manually to Morgana, those r's at the beginning and ending of the word turn into swashes.

Anyhow, it's becoming clear to me that this isn't a simple switch and done process - like there are several steps involved and the system is making changes here and there but not all at once. I'm wondering if that might have something to do with your weird issue where the swash suddenly changes? I can't think exactly what the mechanics of that might be, but I'm gonna give it a week or so for things to settle before I start trying to correct things manually because it's clear that a lot is in flux at the moment!