Is Zazzle working on keeping AI from scraping images?
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08-16-2025 07:47 AM
I guess I said it all in the title of this post, but as for its reason, I've been seeing various methods individuals and web sites are using to try to block AI. Unless this is done, it appears AI can take anything on Zazzle, which includes an awful lot of original art.
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08-16-2025 08:55 AM
Agree.
I personally would like Zazzle to exclude the use of AI generated art — or at the very least allow customers and designers the option of excluding AI generated art from their search results. Just flagging it as AI generated does not filter it out of my search results.
It seems (at least in my household) that whether a person is pro AI art or anti AI art is aligned with their age.
Old folks like me, who spent decades developing their fine art skills feel that AI art is not hand created, and thus is cheating or not real art.
Young folks, like my daughter (whom I spent years teaching fine art skills to) think it’s cool and useful and have totally embraced it.
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08-16-2025 12:14 PM
I'm with you on everything you said. One of the many things bothering me is that a mere squeak of the images, videos, and writing are labeled as AI. Liars. Even worse are the videos being produced that are utterly fake but look utterly real. They're dangerous.
Still, though, there's the concern about the way AI travels the world, picking up things it has no right to. There have been a lot of lawsuits for copyright infringement. I'd rather we didn't have to worry about this on Zazzle, so that's why asked if Zazzle is looking into blocking AI from scouring the site for images.
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08-16-2025 12:19 PM
I don’t know how Zazzle would block AI image scrapers. I’ll ask my daughter, who is a programming guru.
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08-16-2025 04:21 PM - edited 08-16-2025 04:22 PM
When I looked it up, I found a number of (legitimate) sites explaining how to block AI, but I didn't read much because I decided I wouldn't understand, so I've no idea how effective the various ploys might be.
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08-16-2025 04:32 PM
According to my daughter, there is currently no effective to keep AI bots from scraping our designs.
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08-17-2025 01:52 AM
Old folks like me, who spent decades developing their fine art skills feel that AI art is not hand created, and thus is cheating or not real art.
I totally understand this mindset but we're not selling to other artists; the only thing that counts is if the random shopper likes what you're offering and I don't think the majority really care how it was created. You can look around Zazzle and it doesn't matter if you're looking at a main category landing page, the bestsellers page, a top seller's store, random search results ... like 90% of things I look at don't offer in the description how they were created. It's just "this design features a cute blue elephant with pink flowers ...". Etc etc etc. If the buyers cared about the origin of the art none of this type stuff would be selling like it does.
I personally would like Zazzle to exclude the use of AI generated art — or at the very least allow customers and designers the option of excluding AI generated art from their search results.
To that end, why not also exclude the use of purchased/licensed stock art as that wasn't hand created by the Designer either? It's absolutely rampant and you often see the exact same stock image being used by many multiple designers with just simple color tweaks or changes to orientation if even that much. I saw one store with over 300 Collections featuring wildly different graphics so you know they didn't create all the art themselves, with many elements recognizable as popular stock art. But this didn't stop them from becoming successful on Zazzle so again, buyers obviously don't care that they didn't hand create all the art involved.
Not knocking these type designers, just trying to make the point - why is AI being singled out for not being unique hand created art when all this other stock stuff that pre-dates the rise of AI isn't either? If designers didn't have the natural talent to draw/paint their own stuff they turned to purchasing/licensing ready-made art , or using public domain images. But that was fine and perfectly acceptable for years - and still is - so why is AI work not? Whether AI or stock or public domain, it creates the same unnatural competition for natural hand-created artists that's been flooding the market since forever. .
On another note, creating something with AI isn't as easy & magical as some think. You can get really amazing results very easily with random prompts, but trying to create something specific to what you see in your head is actually really difficult. So those of us not natural-born artists are still severely handicapped, we can't just type in what we want and magically get it, whereas those with natural art skill can draw/paint exactly what they see in their head.
To provide example, I just tried for a very basic star shape graphic. After repeated tries with various prompts, this is the most basic I could get it to generate.
So point #1, not really what I had in mind so if I was relying on AI I'd be out of luck.
But I can take that star in to Photoshop and do an unlimited number of things with it. Here's just a basic change.
Point #2, if I were to use this little star as an accent element in a design - maybe a handful of them in different colors I edited in PS - decorating an invitation design - would that be required to be tagged as "generativecontent" because it incorporates something that started out as an AI generated graphic? What if I create an entire scene using AI but spend hours painstakingly editing it? Should that be tagged as "generativecontent" and excluded from Zazzle?
And then - the use of Photoshop by itself, even when not working with an image that was originally generated by AI ... There are sooooo many things one can do in PS, from basic color enhancements to extremely advanced manipulations to creating something from scratch using a combination of the default tools & presets, and it's all reliant on the program's technology, not one's own natural talent as a natural artist. So this should all be considered AI too as it's all achieved by a computer program. Where do we draw the line? Why is it OK to use one computer program but not another?
This has been a thorn in my side ever since Z said we should use the "generativecontent" tag. Because to me, pretty much everything out there these days could be considered "generativecontent". Did you increase the saturation level on a photo? Hmm, that's not natural, you did it with a computer program ... Did you install a font in PS, type some text out, add a gradient/pattern style and upload to Zazzle as an element in a design? Not natural hand-created so that's "generativecontent".
What about something like this?
This is an actual photo I took. But I obviously heavily edited/stylized it in Photoshop. Should that require a special tag indicating it's not a natural photo? Should it be excluded from Zazzle because it's not hand-created art?
This is a really complicated topic and there are no simple answers. Most designs incorporate some degree of "generative content" but can be well thought out including the product type and overall design they were used in. And then there are designs that are 100% unedited AI generated and slapped on every product Zazzle offers in hopes of making some dream overnight millions with minimal effort or care.
To me, things are rarely black & white enough to warrant a cookie-cookie approach.
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08-17-2025 02:36 AM
Thanks for your input, Cols. I’d like to point out that folks aren’t actually natural born artists; they develop art skills the same way that everyone develops any particular skill — through hard work, intensive study, and education.
If you appreciate and use AI to generate your images — or parts of images — that’s OK with me. As a consumer, I’d still like the option of filtering out AI generated art.
There’s room for both options and both types of customers on this platform.
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08-20-2025 07:47 PM
Comparing AI generated stuff to using stock photos and purchased graphics is comparing apples to oranges. Those stock photos and graphics were still produced by human talent, even if it isn't yours. AI generated images are totally computer-made.
Same thing with using Photoshop or other tools. a human is still manipulating those tools on an photo or artwork to get the results they want. Of course, now Photoshop has incorporated AI generation, so the lines have been blurred.
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08-20-2025 07:41 PM
AI generated images are definitely not art- by definition, art has to made by human creativity. That being said, most of the AI designs on Zazzle aren't even labeled with the tag "generativecontent" that Zazzle requires AI stuff to be labeled with, so even if Zazzle had the option to exclude them from search results, they wouldn't be excluded.
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08-21-2025 07:21 AM
I can't exactly agree with the idea that AI images are totally computer-made. I used to think that, but have read to the contrary here in the forums. Quite a few Zazzlers say they are using AI and then altering the AI image. So again, as you point out with Photoshop, the lines are blurred.
We can tell Zazzle does not really think it's important to apply the "generative content" label. We know this because the question does not come up as part of the upload process. "Is this AI?" could be applied either on upload of an image, or upon publication of a product. Zazzle could make it so that you can't upload or publish without indicating a usage of AI. At that point in the process, the tag "generative content" would be automatically applied. Until such time as that happens, I don't expect too many creators to apply the tag, because most of them do not even know they "should".
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08-21-2025 12:32 PM - edited 08-21-2025 12:33 PM
I agree that Zazzle doesn't seem too concerned about AI art, but if people's reactions to Pinterest's huge influx of it is noted, Zazzle might want to consider the possible outcome. I keep tripping across folks dumping Pinterest because of it and others saying they no longer find a use for the platform. What if that happens here?
Yes, designers can correct flaws, change colors, maybe add or subtract something, even flip it horizontally, but it was still produced by AI. I don't think the lines are blurred enough to claim being the originator of the art. Some of the designers easily state it's what they've done. They deserve respect for this.
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08-17-2025 04:02 AM
I know exactly where you're coming from and don't disagree with you. Clipart has been used for years and years, albeit created by people sitting with pen in hand and sold to companies free of copyright. This isn't what's galling me. Instead, it's the theft of real art. Beyond this is what happened when photography was invented. Those who drew and painted had their hair standing on end because they looked into the future and saw the demise of artists. The visual arts didn't die, but it was diminished when photography became available to Everyday Man. Out of this came photographers with true vision who manipulated the scene, the angle, and lighting and chemicals in the darkroom the same as artists manipulate the materials they use. AI may be manipulating, but where are the hands and the vision in AI?
Related to the above is art forgery, which oddly enough, has been done only by talented artists, talented enough that their forgeries, though sometimes detected by museums years later, are still floating around. Then there are classical painters who became so popular and successful that they hired other artists to work in the studio, completing or sometimes duplicating their paintings. These, too, are still periodically detected.
What gets me specifically about AI isn't exactly its existence, but is, rather, the fakery involved. Right now, the trained eye might still recognize it, but it's been developing exponentially and can be reasonably expected to become indistinguishable from original art. Then what will happen to those who've worked hard to achieve realization of what they've envisioned? As @Jadendreamer13 said, "They develop art skills the same way that everyone develops any particular skill — through hard work, intensive study, and education." AI is stealing it.
More than anything, I believe art is something that can only come from a human being, not from a machine.
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08-20-2025 07:49 PM
@Barbara wrote:More than anything, I believe art is something that can only come from a human being, not from a machine.
Yes, by definition art is the product of human creativity.
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08-17-2025 05:07 AM
Those of us concerned about having our work stolen and used in AI programs can totally avoid the issue by designing only with AI. And then only thing the AI programs can steal from us is our own AI created stuff.
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08-17-2025 08:04 AM
Interesting and funny. As long as I still have decent eye/hand coordination (and good vision) I will still create art the original way. And I still strive to develop and improve my design skills. I’ve been drawing and painting since I was 9 years old. I worked in corporate America as an artist for 40 years. Now my in my retirement, I’m still creating art on an almost daily basis.
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08-17-2025 12:26 PM
Kidding of course. But then I started to wonder about writing a sci fi book where all the art in the world is captured and run through AI. And then all that is run through AI and then again, and again, and pretty soon all that is left is just a handful of AI art which all looks the same. The last chapter of my book would have that little handful of images distilled further, so that in the end, there exists only ONE image.
One image in all the world.
And that one image becomes known as "The Art". Succeeding generations of children grow up learning that there is only one image in all the world.
And then maybe in the Epilogue, they are delighted, amazed, confused, when one of the kindergarteners starts doodling and suddenly everyone realizes "We have the power!" We can draw our own art and make new images!"
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08-17-2025 01:36 PM
Ok, this is off-topic, but your one graphic known as “the art” reminds me of a similar situation in my childhood home.
I was one of seven children, so I had five brothers. My parents earned a middle-class wage, but it didn’t go far when it was divided among nine family members.
When my oldest brother went to his first high school dance, my parents scraped their pennies together and bought him his first suit.
That one suit was eventually worn by the next four brothers. When someone needed to wear it, they would ask “where’s the suit.” So, it became known as “the suit.” It’s still sitting around in storage because nobody had the heart to give it away.
I guess “the art” will be created by “the artist” (formerly known as a Zazzle designer).
LOL!
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08-17-2025 10:03 PM
Oh my goodness. The suit! What a lovely story that is......I can see why no one wants to permanently part with that!
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08-17-2025 12:38 PM
Here's flash news, something I just now heard from a solid source on YouTube. To make sure of what I'd heard, I looked it up and found YT's updated policy along with a breakdown of the content it's targeting:
- Repetitive or mass-produced
- Created using AI voiceovers or text-to-speech with minimal original input
- Reusing content formats without adding value
- Fully automated, no-edit, no-human-input videos
Result? De-monetization. People can do it, but they'll lose the goal of doing so. This may be the first sign of better things to come. It's interesting that Google is a maker and promoter of AI, but I guess they've seen how trash has brought down their platform.
Now I'm wondering if other platforms might follow suit.
Anyway, my reaction was a fist in the air and a highly vocal "Yes!"
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08-17-2025 01:40 PM
Nice.
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08-17-2025 05:05 PM
@Windy You're in high form today! You put me immediately in mind of all the fabulous sci-fi artists over the years. I bet they're now being eaten alive.
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08-18-2025 02:07 PM
Thinking I should experience firsthand how AI art works, I went to NightCafe and entered a prompt that described the specs for my latest painting: watercolor of a black-winged damselfly on a leaf with a hollyhock flower behind it. A very stark sort of graphic image. I was quickly served up with what didn't look in the least like a watercolor and, though it had the single flower, it decided to add its own bonus of an entire hollyhock in the background. It was a pretty picture, but pretty isn't my style. Also, AI knows what a damselfly is but it's never heard of the black-winged variety. I suddenly felt a whole lot better because, used ethically and only as a jumping-off place, it might help alleviate annoying artist's block. I didn't paint today, futzing about instead, but something good came of it.
Hat's off to you, @ColsCreations , for cluing me into NightCafe and the possibilities.
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08-19-2025 01:12 PM
Just for curiosity's sake, I entered "Make me a totally unique picture that no one has ever seen before, something no one has ever thought of before, totally new and unique" as a prompt in an AI text-to-image generator and it spit me out this image:
Really far out, no idea what the AI algorithm was going on here.
But now let's pretend this was some vision I saw in my head, maybe a dream (nightmare?) that I want to put it to canvas. So I tried to describe this image and entered that as prompt.
"A giant eye with a green iris and long lashes, the eyelids are actually lips and there is moss growing on the lips. There is a reflection of a house in the pupil. The giant eye is floating in the ocean and there is a man at the end of a path to the beach looking at it."
And it gave me this:
So yeah, not at all like the vision of what my not-artistically-talented self was trying to create.
AI creations are really unpredictable. There is no natural talent for composing prompts. Getting better results that more closely reflect what you envisioned requires time, study, research on how to write & format prompts. From the above example, i clearly haven't put the time in to learn how to be better at prompting. Point is - it's a learned skill one has to work at, minus the benefit of any natural propensity for it. Just like learning Photoshop or Inkscape or Zazzle etc etc. It's something you have to take the time to learn about and get better at with practice as your experience grows. And even then, there is no guarantee, no magic button to press, that will create just what you wanted.
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08-19-2025 02:31 PM
I would suggest we don't call for any eyes floating in the ocean. LOL
Eliminating the misty hollyhock plant in the background, it produced a near replica of my original painting except for the fact that its damselfly had just a small black blob on the wing.
Interesting how my utterly brief prompt caused the result to also be brief. I'm not sure this would always hold true, however.
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08-20-2025 02:46 AM
I would not trade the enjoyment (and pride and satisfaction) of creating art with my own hands for AI. And I would not trade all the work and dedication involved in developing my art skills for writing a detailed prompt and pushing a button.
I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again: in order to create good designs with AI, you still need to know basic design skills like the use of white space, the rule of thirds, the use of contrast, the use of focus or emphasis, color theory, typography, how to lead a viewer’s eye around (and into) your design so you don’t lead them off of the page, and much more. Without the knowledge and use of these skills, I can easily spot an AI design.
I may be old and old-fashioned, but this is not the direction I want to take with my art. And again, on this topic my daughter and I (and perhaps the younger generation in general) disagree.
As a skilled artist, I don’t feel threatened by AI designs, I just feel sad.
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08-20-2025 04:22 AM
I agree with you totally. I wouldn't trade it either. What we're talking about here--or anyway, I'm talking about--is inspiration. Most artists use a model of some kind. For instance, those who do urban scenes or landscapes use an actual scene from which to (literally) draw their inspiration. A still life? They set it up. What they create is a version of reality. Even abstract artists do this. If I want to make my subject a rabbit, I look at pictures of rabbits or watch them in my back yard. We can't recreate or do a version of something we've never witnessed. I love painting wonky, imaginary houses, but I'm likely to visit either books of architecture or the strong memories of houses I once knew well.
What AI does for the actual artist is supply images for inspiration. For instance, looking at @ColsCreations images, I imagined gentler, less eerie scenes with an eye or sci-fi kinds of things. I doubt I'll ever do such a scene since it isn't the path I travel, but they did get my imagination going. We can look at the stuff around us, page through a magazine, check out things in a book, use our strongest memories, and now, when having an imaginary deficit, we can order up a few AI images. Ultimately, there's no difference.
Those of us who have skills and training aren't ever about to abandon them. We can't. It's now built into our mental and physical constitution. Those without skill and training have something to give them the pleasure of feeling at least a piece of creating. As long as they don't sign their work, I think I'm okay with it.
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08-20-2025 04:52 AM
Oh, my, Jill. I just now had an almost heated argument with my husband after telling him what we're all talking about. He sees nothing wrong with taking part of an AI image and transferring it to one's own creation, and if not that, then printing out the AI image and tracing the bit wanted. After all, he's seen me trace an image. I explained to him that I do this to get the "feel" of (usually) an animal, and then after that I can change its stance, its coat, its expression. I'd never use the tracing itself as my image because it goes completely against my grain. He didn't get it. What, he wanted to know, would I do if I didn't have an image? I told him I'd do what I did with the hollyhock. I printed out a real image of a hollyhock from the internet and then propped it up in front of me while sketching. Why go through all the rigmarole of AI when the real thing is more accessible, more precise, more trustworthy? He didn't get it. He's an excellent welder, so I asked him if he'd have someone else create the finials on a fence he's building and use it in his fence. His reply? No, he wouldn't because he can do it himself and probably better. Believe it or not, he still didn't get the comparison. I gave up.
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08-20-2025 06:04 AM
I do use tracings of my own images. After I sketch an image, say for an image that I will ultimately ink or paint, I trace a new image with no erasures or corrections, so I can work from a clean image for the final version of my design.
I see your point with using an AI generated image as an inspiration point for a hand-rendered image.
🙂
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08-20-2025 06:20 AM
Mostly, my tracings are also of my own image, usually in black ink, then placed beneath the watercolor paper so I can transfer the image with a lightbox. However, even tracing doesn't help me with cats and dogs. When I started art school, we were told they wouldn't teach us how to paint or draw; they'd teach us how to see. I guess I missed the section on seeing cats and dogs.
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08-20-2025 08:09 AM
That is the exact same process that I use to transfer my sketches to watercolor paper. 🙂

