Will Someone at Zazzle Explain This Pricing ?

kashmier
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I checked the items on both US and EU sites to see if there were any options available to change the price. There are none so the totals should be for 18.9% of 4 pillows, The following is how it shows up in my account with todays royalty changes. How do you explain the price I got?   Thanks in advance.

The only thing I can figure is there is someway for a buyer to add options even when there are none available. The normal sale price for the 4 pillows should be in US  $254.52  -  I figured the % made at 2.33%     I would love to know how the options could have been applied. Thanks again

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Sara_H
Honored Contributor III

@kashmier  look at the ++ next to the EUR royalty - you get 20% deducted for VAT before the MFR of 40% is deducted.

Plus they may have a coupon code

Maybe?

 

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MasterpieceCafe
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I think the bigger question is how did they buy 4 pillows for only 60 euros? That's a HUGE discount.

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Sara_H
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@MasterpieceCafe  shipping to ireland so could have staff discount

That is why I think the options is screwed up. There are none - it is set for a one size outdoor pillow. Yet 5% supposedly added for user options.  

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ColsCreations
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With pillows, it does not matter which fabric option you set as the default for marketing or even locking it to that type, Zipperless is the base item and any of the other three choices are treated as 5% User Options regardless.

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Because of the way user options are calculated, if there's a sizable discount involved they can drag your earnings way down. And as @Sara_H pointed out, the VAT processing fee takes 20% off the final order total before they start calculating the rest. And the "carve-out" for referred sales is now 40% (for Home & Living) instead of 20%.
I don't know how to math in anything but US dollars and it's convoluted enough without trying to account for fluctuating currency conversions, but your screenshot shows that you netted 9.55% (5.94) of the total 62.24 total shown. (I don't know if the total shown on the reports in VAT Fee cases is before or after the 20% is deducted.) Either way, we can't control what discount a customer might get applied and with all the variables in this instance, I am not really surprised at the resulting net.

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I had someone else try to buy this and I also tried non signed in and we were not able to choose anything different in the options even after putting items into cart. I do not understand why we are given the ability to choose options if they will be changed, Especially when some items just do not fit certain options correctly. This is the link to the purchase   https://www.zazzle.com/sage_green_vintage_floral_pattern_outdoor_pillow-256138213463831393?context=0

Update, I tried the same thing from the EU site. 

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ColsCreations
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I don't understand the question about changing options? Your pillow is published as 20x20 Outdoor only, and Outdoor is an $11.50 upcharge from the base product.

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On the sale of the item it shows 'user options' with an arrow and then 5% under my 20.8% markup. The item was set for an outdoor pillow how would the buyer have changed the options?  Also since you have a better grasp on this can you tell me if there are products that have lower upcharge percentage wise? In other words what products will make the most for creators who can not do their own referring. I finally felt so comfortable with what I was making and now all has changed big time. Seems where I should have made at least $15 on a sale of over $250 I only made $5.94. I could never quite figure out the old payments but got used to the amounts to expect. I stopped trying to figure it out will do the same again or else I will drive myself crazy and not get anything done. Thanks for your input.  

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Malissa
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Basically, when you set the only user option at an outdoor pillow, you set it at the upcharge.  So, no matter if you set it or the customer changes it, you only get 5% on the +11.50 amount.  Just because you made it the only option, and it is a higher priced option, doesn't change the base price that Zazzle set. That is why you still see the upcharge on your royalty report.  But that's all I know.  I don't seem to have the brain capacity anymore to understand the math. 

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ColsCreations
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Seems where I should have made at least $15 on a sale of over $250 I only made $5.94.

But it wasn't a sale of over $250, it was a sale of 62.24 something (Euros I guess, I don't understand the EUR-GB notation). Your screenshot shows that the same customer also purchased a matching sherpa blanket in the same order. There are no User Options on those to complicate things more, just three sizes. When you click through from your royalty report, what size does it show they bought? From that, you could compare the list prices to the 44.50 your report shows they paid to figure out what discount they got, and then apply that discount to the pillows.

Your blanket they bought has a list price of 85.57 for the Medium size. A discount of 48% off results in the 44.50 it shows they paid and the 4.14 royalty is shows you earned.

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IF that is how the order went down (it's probably possible another size w/ a different discount % could result in this same exact match) then it would be reasonable to guess they got the same 48% off the pillows. 

But "I stopped trying to figure it out will do the same again or else I will drive myself crazy and not get anything done." is probably the best take here. 😉

 

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kashmier
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What is VAT and 40% on MFR is that the updated, once normal flat fee we used to pay.  Those two deductions still leave me with over $20 - what happened to the other 15.00  They must have had a coupon for more than 50% off.  Or my first thought is they changed the options,  There is no way on the items to do that yet it shows I am making an extra 5% for options. ?  Both sites show the same single item with no choice of even material  It is set to outdoor only. 

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Mariholly
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That’s not entirely true. You can set whatever you want, but once the customer has the design saved, they can change the options. Unless something has changed recently, we confirmed it was possible. I myself have invitations locked to one size, and they were sold in another. There’s a post about this somewhere on the forum.

 

 

kashmier
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Thanks for that. I guess when we put in an option limit that is the only place the item might be found when searched for. I can see that being needed for invitations but, oh well, a sale is a sale, Now I won't think about it too much with invitations. I hate to limit the options there but at times text just might not fit to a smaller size so I just hope the buyer knows enough to not use it if their text is too long.  

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kashmier
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I was just trying to figure this all out and I have come to believe that I have the same math capabilities as the current man in charge of the US.  I add a fee and that is what I expect to get. I had this thought and feel like a total idiot.  -  So if it going to EU the total, before I even add a fee, would be 20% less. Then 40% of my referral fee is deducted?  Here is my thinking.  I would have to charge 61% just to make 1%.  I know that is not how it works but my tiny brain can only see the numbers. God bless us all with the down spiral this place I used to be proud to live in has caused. 

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