Cover Photos Questions/Comments

klstock
Valued Contributor

I just read the announcement where Zazzle says they will be prioritizing products with cover photos. If so, then doing a search by "popular" would not be accurate, it would be arbitrary and misleading. I used to have several beach and tropical invitations that would be on the first and second pages of results because they have sold well. Now I have to dig a few pages in to find them (and they have cover photos!). If you do a search for "tropical wedding invitations" or "beach wedding invitations" and look at the results that show up on the first page, about half of them have zero to do with "beach" or "tropical".... 

The cover photos are extremely time consuming. If a person wants to do them on items of their choosing, and has time for it, great. I try to do as many as possible, but if you are doing a collection that has 20 - 30 items in it, there is no way I have time to do cover photos for every single product, and some don't need it. Some look good as they are with the focus on the product and artwork.

There is cost and time involved - is there an increased cut for the designers who are now functioning as a free art department? Yes in some cases, it may generate more sales - and yes the designer would profit from sales - but if the designer is the one incurring the fees (canva pro for example, or some are purchasing product mockups) and the designer is the one taking the time to make these cover photos - which takes time away from making OTHER stuff - then a bigger chunk of the profit should go to the designer. 

 

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Fiorenzo
Valued Contributor II

Yup. Same here. Or when I want to show front and back on the same pic. There are products with truly lovely Z mockups already available, no sense to change them with your own. Other Z mockups look nice but need some slight enhancement, such as more contrast. I know it is not encouraged to use Z mockups as your custom ones but I interpret this as using them 1:1, and as I got told via email at the start of this feature, it is allowed to use them or parts of them to make your own.

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VV
New Contributor II

Maybe that's why Zazzle is pushing us to do it. They're a business so they probably did the math on what they'd have to pay people to give us more mockups for their products, and they found a way to get it for free. Of course it's not really free as there will be fewer uploads of products for a while, some people will focus on other PODs instead, etc. It will be interesting to see what unfolds. 

Mariholly
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I've been working on my covers for months and it really works. Many items sell out within a few days of posting the cover. As a rule I am placing on the products that are sold every day. If you don't have it and it has just been sold, I create the cover and in a few days it is very possible that it will be sold again. My Bestsellers have a cover photo and new products too. It's laborious and tedious, but it makes my products stand out significantly. I can also take advantage of them to create reels that I publish on my social networks and that make the product stand out. I can even post the reels here. I agree with many of the things you say against, but it works for me and I will continue putting covers. January has been my best month on Z after 5 years and I have been very pleased to see it finally starting to work.

KeegansCreation
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I had a pair of sunglasses that sold (sunglasses don't sell particularly often for me). I was excited so I went to the MP to check where they were and they were way back on the 7th page (they must have been found in search). Nevertheless I gave them a cover photo as though they were sitting on the beach. This took forever because I added shadows. Adding shadows takes forever. When I checked a few days later they were still on the 7th page and I soured on adding cover photos.

Yesterday, in the wake of this announcement, I checked where they were. Now they have popped up to the first page. So I think they really are prioritizing cover page products. Cover page+already sold is probably the winning combo so I am concentrating on adding cover photos to things that sold but only a couple times(things that sell frequently can probably stay high ranked on their own without a cover photo).

One thing I did yesterday which I wish I had done all along, was make my isolation (done via masking) of the product into a Photoshop smart object so I could just slot in others of the same product and slot in a fresh background on the layer below. That makes this process go slightly faster although it is still slow.

Unfortunately there are some things where buying a mockup is necessary unless you are really good with the warp tool (as those who make mockups for sale must be). I have not found a convincing way to bend Zazzle's flatlay duvet cover over a photo of a bed so I just went ahead and bought from a person on Creative market who could.

KeeganCreations

Yes, I think your combination is a good one.  Side note -- some of the mockups  that are "smart" mockups do not work on Photoshop elements -- which is too bad.

That's also my theory bought + cover photo = We have a winner... That's why I try to put a photo of the products that were sold the day before and that usually generates a new sale in a few days. It is also possible that your product becomes an editor's pick and you can see it in the Z app or on their social networks...

Barbara
Esteemed Contributor

@Mariholly: Without a cover, I find if a product sells on one day, it's likely to sell again within a few days, which disincentivizes me to create a cover for it.

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Mariholly
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For me it is working. Yesterday I had two consecutive sales of a stamp that has sold very little. I did their cover photo recently. I suppose it may depend on many more factors, such as the type of product, the niche... I make stationery and it works for me. I'll keep doing cover photos.

Barbara
Esteemed Contributor

Yes, stationery is top dog and also cat here on Zazzle, but as close as I can get to designing it is in the peripherals of it: postcards, Post-its, business cards. I tried wedding but utterly sucked at it. Sigh.

EDIT: I just finished running some searches in the marketplace and noticed that where I have to focus first is in my niches. When I've used a cover, the product shows up on the first page, and if no cover, it's further down regardless of larger sales. Those of you with a somewhat narrow niche might also want to run some searches. It's eye-opening.

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It looks like what Zazzle is aiming for is to have at least a few cover photos on every landing page, even when it's a landing page of a very specific search or drilldown. 

KeeganCreations

I did my first four covers yesterday. (Two were for different versions of same product color-linked together.) I did some both searching and just navigating to see where the products were before and after adding the covers.

Product A (never before sold) was in the middle of Page 4 of 496 results. I noted that of the first five pages of results, all but two of those 300 products were using the same Zazzle-provided in-situ. (The other odd two had their own covers.) I submitted my cover about 3pm. It was visible within minutes in the back-end and on the product page but took a few hours to show as the MP thumb. I don't know when it "went live" but when I checked at 9pm, it was not only live, but my product had jumped up to #17 on the first page of now 517 results. Wow.

Product B (also never before sold) was hard to judge as it didn't have any one particular keyword I thought was more meaningful/popular than the others so it was hard for me to find using any one keyword, I had to add others to narrow it down for it to come up without scrolling many pages. After the cover, with one main keyword + product type typed into search, mine comes up on first page as #35 of 1,074. Wow.

Product C (has sold), very much to my surprise was already coming up in the #1 spot for several keyword + product type searches. I checked this anonymously in another browser with no cookies/browsing history to make sure it wasn't giving me biased results and nope, got same exact results in same exact order. So, very cool but made me afraid to add a cover for fear of messing that situation up somehow. But I added the cover and whew, still coming up in the #1 spot for various searches, but now it also comes up as one of the pictures for suggested terms so I guess that's cool, too.

So boy oh boy, yeah, covers are super important now. Somewhere outside of my full-time job and two side-hustles (not related to POD or graphic design at all) with Zazzle being my third (it's the least lucrative but most enjoyable) and all the regular responsibilities of adulting to tend to, I'm going to have to start devoting some of my precious R&R time to making covers. Weirdly enough, focusing on something in the forums to test or analyze is how I wind-down now as it clears my mind of other things but yeah, covers are going to have to become my priority if I don't want to completely fall off the radar in the MP. My low but regular sales have already tanked. 😞

They're super important right now with covers quickly advancing your product in result pages, but as time goes on and they become more and more common, the ranking algorithm will have to go back to prioritizing sales & views so if everyone in your niche has covers, your cover isn't helping you anymore than theirs is if that makes sense. It'll only be the ones without covers that will be buried by the algorithm.

Also, several have suggested that Zazzle should partner with a mock-up provider or provide their own templates for us to use. I don't see that happening. Because ...
1) that wouldn't really be much different than the in-situs they provide now and us choosing which view we want as the default thumb
2) if 6,000 designers are picking their mock-ups from the same pool, that wouldn't achieve the individuality Z apparently wants to see in the MP
3) and, just my unfounded opinion, I kind of think that Z prioritizing self-made covers is an intentional way of weeding out what we have in the past referred to as "spam accounts" and even legit designers using Quick Create (which last i read hasn't been re-enabled yet). People can still come in and create an account and flood the market with hundreds of t-shirt designs straight from a stock site, but without covers those products will no longer dominate the search results. So I think in the long run it may make the MP better for both customers and designers BUT I think it definitely moves Zazzle from the "something you can do as a hobby and still have moderate success with" category to the "something you need to treat as a full-time job to be successful" category.

 

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Interesting point about spam accounts and Quick Create. This very labor intensive process will for sure weed out those who have prioritized uploading as much as possible as fast as possible. It is really labor intensive when you go the route of finding your own photo backgrounds and isolating from Zazzle's mockup and painting in shadows. They are making it downright artisinal with the amount of care that must be devoted to each product. But as you see, the placement is really prioritized, at least for now.

It will eventually become the new normal, at least for the first few pages of any department. But the catch is that in order for it to become the new normal, people will have to slow waaayyyy down in creation in order to have time for cover photos. And that may be by design too. 

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Barbara
Esteemed Contributor

Covers are likely to work better for some of us than for others. Those who focus on a variety of small niches won't be featured regardless of covers because they're too small an area for Zazzle to consider featuring them. One of my little arenas is music theory, so it's exclusively musicians who buy my products. Another is artisans, people who have small shops where they create specialties. It wouldn't be profitable for Zazzle to feature them.

Zazzle focuses more on stationery than anything else because it's where they excel. Even so, though one might think business cards would be a good bet, they aren't unless they're either generic or for businesses that aren't truly unique like dentists or beauty salons. Those who focus on specialties rely on customers running searches, not on the curated listings.

We all want to sell and to sell more, but no cover image will get my bladesmith business card up front even if it does happen to sell relatively well. It just isn't, to coin a phrase, in the cards. (And just try to find a suitable mockup out there for the person who forges steel. 😊 )

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GL123
New Contributor III

I appreciate hearing everyone's opinion on this. And I do understand that sales can often improve with a mockup cover photo which is really great. But I would like to add that good design is good design, even without a mockup cover photo. And I hope that Zazzle will recognize that and still put those products in a good marketing position in amongst the cover photo products.

ColsCreations
Honored Contributor II

I started a reply over here but decided it was better suited here ...

 

I think they're referring to their home page and the landing pages for categories being where the favoritism will occur, which does sound rather punitive, but we need to wait and watch to see how it all falls out.

It's already fallen out. 😉
I was doing a lot of browsing last night and products with cover photos are definitely being favored. On the homepage, as the category "icons", as the images for the suggested tags (the ones that used to be blue text boxes) ... I did a lot of navigating using Zazzle's sidebar menu (instead of searching for specific terms) and the most of the time, the first several pages of products shown by default all have cover photos. If you're trying to break into the wedding invite market, good luck. Of the first three pages (180 products), not only are they all cover-photo products, 78% (140) are flagged as Editors Picks and the rest are either flagged as Real Foil or Downloadable or some combination of all of the above. One category that notably had very few cover-photos was Leggings. So if one is rushing to do cover photos, that might be a product category to start with, to get a leg up on the competition.

I am of the same mindset as @TRW in that I really dislike this whole independent cover photo approach. Some of them are really well-done so this is not an affront to those making them, it's just as TRW said, it makes the MP look like an unprofessional hodge podge to me. And it's visual sensory overload. There's just so much going on. Even if you drill down to something specific like say Home Decor - Pillows - Square - Zippered .... instead of getting 60 pillows that are obviously the same product except for the printed design on them you get 60 scenes to process. It makes my brain hurt and makes me feel like I am on Etsy or eBay where everything isn't coming from the same legit company/manufacturer.

And then there's the covers that are confusing. Like wedding invites that show more than one piece of stationery so you think it's a suite but when you click it it's just one thing. Or ones for tissue paper that make it look like a stiff hard card or sign when that's not how tissue paper is in real life unless you've laminated it. You wouldn't know from the pic alone it's tissue paper. And then there's the fact that the point of cover photos is to show things in-situ thus the product/design you're trying to market becomes a smaller part of the overall image since you have to fit it into a scene and that seems backwards to me. If I need to fit my product pic into a 300x300 square I'd want to use most of that to show my product, not make my product smaller just so I can also show a chair or a vase or room background or whatever.

Numerous designers have reported their sales increasing noticably after adding cover photos but I am of the mind that this is because Zazzle is making things with covers more visible than those without, not because the cover itself is influencing shoppers to hit the buy button. It does seem Zazzle has gone all-in on pushing cover images so I'm sure they did lots of testing & analyizing of customer browsing habits & preferences, but I'm firmly in the category of not liking them. If Creators could add optional covers to be viewed along with the previews Z provides but at the end of the previews, not as the default view for the MP, then I'd be on board with it. Then you could still provide an idea of how your design would look in real life, but without the MP looking like such a mess. .

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Fiorenzo
Valued Contributor II

This: "...And it's visual sensory overload. There's just so much going on. Even if you drill down to something specific like say Home Decor - Pillows - Square - Zippered .... instead of getting 60 pillows that are obviously the same product except for the printed design on them you get 60 scenes to process. It makes my brain hurt..."

I LOVE the possibility of making my own covers, but I absolutely came to the same conclusions and will focus on highlighting the design & product and adding additional useful info (e.g. if it's a specific size, a photo template, etc) and views (e.g. the backside) rather than providing insitu scenes. While lovely insitu-covers look great on an ad or page/collection banner, if you have let's say 2 pages full of pillows, I personally prefer to see the different designs (front and back) at a glance in a consistent look rather than having to spot them in dozens of different setups of made-up scenes. I see it well on the Christmas cards I complemented with Christmas-ish covers, they look lovely when seen alone, but when you browse the collection, the brain simply gets overwhelmed. On the marketplace, however, it looks fine again, and it will help to stand out against the competition when you don't have your own unique style/designs.

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Barbara
Esteemed Contributor

@ColsCreations, I've been trying really hard to not think about all the cons you mentioned, but they continue marching through my mind, with the ultimate question being: Will those willing to create thousands upon thousands of mock-ups end up swamping a huge number of designers to the point where those designers abandon ship?

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Cat
Honored Contributor III

"...makes me feel like I am on Etsy or eBay where everything isn't coming from the same legit company/manufacturer" I think this is my main gripe with the cover images - well, aside from the obvious gripe about having to spend hours upon hours churning them out. Customers already think I'm printing this stuff in my basement, and this is sure to add to that confusion. But it is what it is. I plan to make the best of it and try to think of it as an opportunity to get a step ahead rather than just the punishment of having to perform a tedious, boring task.

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"One category that notably had very few cover-photos was Leggings. So if one is rushing to do cover photos, that might be a product category to start with, to get a leg up on the competition."

😂you are a wordsmith!

ColsCreations
Honored Contributor II

I'm glad someone caught that.  😉

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Sara_H
Honored Contributor III

You inspired me to do some leggings so thanks for that!

Upon reading that leggings don't have tons of cover photos already (well, they didn't at the time that was typed) I decided to get a leg up on the competition and put my best foot forward with a cover photo of the model standing in front of a blurred Irish pub (Pixabay) wearing St. Patrick's Day leggings. Today it is on the landing page of St. Patrick's Day leggings. It's at the bottom of the landing page (it hasn't sold yet) below coverless leggings that have presumably sold. It looks to me like the  page results(of a search or drilldown) has things in this order:

  1. cover photo+already sold=high
  2. already sold, coverless=middle (if it only sold once it might still be below something that never sold but has a cover photo)
  3. never sold but has a cover photo=also middle but placed higher than it was previously
  4. never sold=low

To Photoshop we go, I guess (or wherever people are doing these). This will take awhile. 

KeeganCreations

"it's just as TRW said, it makes the MP look like an unprofessional hodge podge to me. And it's visual sensory overload."  I agree with this.  Everyone having the same image presentation for the products allows a customer to better compare them in my view.  All different cover photos...does create an visual onslaught that is not helpful, imo.

Wildart
Valued Contributor

you know what? I am just going to keep using my same cover pic for each product, maybe color-adjusted if necessary, but i agree with all these different covers, it make my head hurt too, and although I like to make them for the challenge, it's a lot of work, and maybe I'd rather be sewing! when the covers are all different, the product content is pushed to the background, wheras if the covers are identical, it's the product content that stands out!

 

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valeriesgallery
New Contributor II

I've tried making cover photos (for a mug and a tshirt) and had nothing but problems.  Anyone else?  The one site I found that placed the design properly then would only use it if I bought the mockup.  Frustrating.

 Edit: I was also looking through cover photos and noticed that some were for type of mugs (for example) that Zazzle doesn't offer.  Wonder if there will be an increase in returns?

Valerie, I suspect our best bet if we want to do t-shirts is to choose the flat image (no model), place it on a nice background, and be done with it. Like you, I checked around for mugs and decided to not use any of the templates.

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PlaceIt, amirite? Zazzle did advise to not use products that Zazzle doesn't actually sell although PlaceIt was a place they recommended for mockups. What I did for mugs was buy a collection of many blank tables on CreativeFabrica (although you can probably find free and ones in various sites like Pixabay). Then I isolated the mug in-situ from Zazzle and placed it on the blank table photo and painted in shadows. That's very labor intensive (plus the cost of the blank table photos) but a look at the most recent version of the MP shows they really are placing cover photo products at the front so hopefully worth it.

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Windy
Honored Contributor II

First sentence of third paragraph: Touché!

I also do Postcrossing!


LauraLee
Contributor III

My thoughts are this:  #1, You are promoting your own product designs, unique and all that they are, so why wouldn't you want them to look different in marketing them?  On Pinterest alone, if you don't attempt to do your own worked up pin, whether it's a standard pin, carousel, or idea pin...it will sink on Pinterest too.  My tests have already proven to me that idea pins grow your business, but looking at the future, Pinterest is already going the way of the world stage of live media.  Next step for Zazzle, live media cover images??  God, I hope not!  But the thing is, if we're all the same "product" with different designs it's a catalog that someone goes to for a specific thing.  Designs come secondary, and if cover pics stand out because it gives them an inspirational idea.  I'm all for it!  Jump in the water's fine.  Which brings me to..

#2 my second thought, has anyone ever thought about the new AI?  Making cover photo pics, is not as hard or expensive as you may think.  Something as basic as a fancy plate setting for a wedding card, could and do sometimes look crazy...but who cares if your design of your wedding invitation is standing out secondary to it.  No one cares about the background when they're focused on a beautiful design.  And one more thing...

#3, My experience of dashing outside of Zazzle on other PODs a tiny bit, the business itself, say RedBubble, actually provides some models and mockups available freely to use.  When Zazzle came out with this announcement, my hope was they'll be saying next that they're coming out with something similar.  Something to get designers started with, and especially for the hard to do things, like the tissue paper.  I've searched myself high and low for a free and good example and I get gift bags or boxes.  I found a few out there, and tbh, just google free mockups and you'll find sites available, as well as CFab as someone mentioned has thousands...and subscriptions are pretty low there.  But, those hard to find like tissue papers...I would think Zazzle has the capability to offer their own blanket style ones, where you'd change something to make it your own in the background.  And then it gets the designer to understand the power it brings to be unique and inspiring to others.  What if all the products on Zazzle at least offered a good transparent png or psd downloadable file to be able to use with other backgrounds, huh?  That would be perfect! Yes?

#1- yes, this is where we are now so off to Photoshop (or whichever).

#2- I'm all about the new AI, I am practically an evangelist per other threads. But my attempts to make a convincing tabletop background failed so spectacularly that I figured just using photos of tabletops was easier. For AI, I'll have to stick to things with less exacting specifications, e.g. surreal art for electronics, where surreal is fine.

#3-tissue paper is a tough one. I have plunked it down on a tabletop photo and so have most other people. Some people have hands holding it which I don't think works because then it looks like posterboard. One intrepid soul managed to overlay it on furniture as decoupage and I am in awe.

KeeganCreations

Yeah, tissue paper is super hard. Like @LauraLee, I spent hours a month or two back looking for a mock-up for it but there just isn't anything very good for it. I honestly think Zazzle's "boring" view of just the full sheet is the best way to show it. I really need to figure something out though because tissue paper is was my top-seller. It's not a high-dollar item but it kept me in the game so to speak. Likewise for return address labels, my second best seller. I think Zazzle's in-situ for them is perfect but now I guess I need to make my own that is somehow better so as not to fall off the MP.

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When all else fails, plunking rectangular things down on an overhead photo of a tabletop will have to do.😶

KeeganCreations

how about showing a generic, plain, coordinating gift bag view with the tissue paper poking out a good way. because from what I see, USA uses this a lot in gift giving, and if they want to know the whole pattern/image view then tehy can look further at zazzs images. I think I will try this anyway..

 

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ColsCreations
Honored Contributor II

That would be lovely but I don't understand how one would do that. Whether it's tissue paper wrinkled and "folded" and sticking out of a bag or wrapping paper actually folded around a box or a blanket draped and hanging over sides of a bed - how does one adapt the design to accurately reflect all the bends and folds and wrinkles etc, and at the right scale? With wrapping paper rolls for example, Zazzle's in-situs do all that for us somehow and I trust that it's accurately showing how the design continues from this side of the box, around this corner, up to the other side of the box ... if you know what I mean. My Photoshop skills are a little dusty but I can handle "regular" mock-ups, either templates where you just add your own image to the mask layer, or even making your own and having to struggle with shadows and lighting. But I don't understand how you take something flat, like tissue or wrapping paper or a beach towel, and accurately show the design when it's crumpled up or folded, creased, draped etc..

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oh of course! you are right, duh silly me... 🙂 🙂 mind you, I have cut out (clip)the shape of a duvet (in a cover image) and made that a template to cut(clip) from the image, after arranging it to the same angle and stretched it to mimic the dimensions. I do this all in a free program called inkscape.

here is one of the cover images ...

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Using Photoshop's warp tool to contort a tissue paper image to fit crumpled tisue paper sticking out of a bag is well beyond my warp tool skills. I spent awhile using the warp tool trying to bend the duvet cover over a photo of a bed and it looked horrible and is much simpler than crumpled tissue paper. (I bought a duvet cover mockup from Creative Market in the end). The dearth of tissue paper mockups either on Zazzle or anywhere else tells me that the contortions needed to crumple the image are just not worth it.

KeeganCreations

try starryai, or images.ai...they are great, I haven't used the table setting yet, but intend to. be very specific in what you want, and realistic style, and you should eventually get one that works. even down to the place setting, flowers,colors etc.

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Thanks 😊

KeeganCreations

Your #2 thought is a fabulous idea for some hard to find mockups-esp place settings! I will be working on some AI mockups today! 

(btw, my name is LoraLee also! Just spelled differently lol There aren't many of us!)

Wildart
Valued Contributor

I'm already using ai for mockup images... takes the work out of it quite well...

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