New AI Image Generation Program
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09-29-2022 12:37 AM
I read an article about a new AI (artificial intelligence) image generation program called DALL-E that's supposed to be able to generate life like images based on a sentence that you give it. I was all excited thinking that it would be a great way to create some placeholder photos for Christmas cards and the like without needing to worry about model release forms and all that.
Well... er... um... maybe not! Seriously, I can NOT stop laughing!
But maybe it would be useful for something else? Anyhow, here's the URL if anybody wants to try it out. https://labs.openai.com/
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09-29-2022 02:44 AM
OMG nightmare fuel. Lemons> lemonade, it can make hideous Halloween images.
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09-29-2022 03:59 AM
Downright creepy. LOL
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09-29-2022 06:46 AM
Wow, horrifying. I second KeegansCreation idea. LOL.
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09-29-2022 07:17 AM
That's scary! Did you select as style "horror movie"??
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09-29-2022 10:24 AM
Bwahahahaha! I think for the first two I said something like "portrait photograph of a young family outdoors in the snow." and the second two I said "Christmas portrait photograph of a family in the Norman Rockwell style." I fear poor Norman is probably rolling over in his grave! 😅
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09-29-2022 07:34 AM
Where can we find their license for commercial use?
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09-29-2022 08:09 AM - edited 09-29-2022 08:13 AM
Weirdly, I found it on their blog, the July 20 entry titled "Dall E now available in Beta".
https://openai.com/blog/dall-e-now-available-in-beta/
"Using DALL·E for commercial projects
Starting today, users get full usage rights to commercialize the images they create with DALL·E, including the right to reprint, sell, and merchandise. This includes images they generated during the research preview.
Users have told us that they are planning to use DALL·E images for commercial projects, like illustrations for children’s books, art for newsletters, concept art and characters for games, moodboards for design consulting, and storyboards for movies."
It appears very much in brief in Terms of Use:
- "Use of Images. Subject to your compliance with these terms and our Content Policy, you may use Generations for any legal purpose, including for commercial use. This means you may sell your rights to the Generations you create, incorporate them into works such as books, websites, and presentations, and otherwise commercialize them."
https://labs.openai.com/policies/terms
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09-29-2022 08:10 AM
This sounds so good to be true. 🤔
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09-29-2022 10:26 AM
That's great to know! Maybe I can come up with something that's usable. Or hey, maybe I could market these as some sort of Christmas horror show or something! 🤣
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09-29-2022 07:40 AM - edited 09-29-2022 07:44 AM
I guess I'm lucky.
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09-29-2022 10:22 AM
Oh wow! That's amazing. What sentence did you use?
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09-29-2022 10:31 AM
Something like "a mother holding her newborn baby, digital art" .
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09-29-2022 08:01 AM
Maybe it's better at generating cartoons because they are simpler. If you put cartoon facial features in the correct places on the face, it's going to be fine. But that's not good enough for a "photo".
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09-29-2022 10:21 AM
Maybe that's it! I was actually rather shocked by how bad the faces were. I've play with other AI facial generation software and while there were always a few things that were a bit "off" it was nothing like this!
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09-29-2022 08:04 AM - edited 09-29-2022 08:28 AM
This one is far more literal than MidJourney..
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09-29-2022 09:09 AM - edited 09-29-2022 09:19 AM
I don't think it's going to be taking my job any time soon... I thought I'd give it a little challenge to create something that I've drawn recently and asked it to make a pair of pickles hanging out after playing pickleball, holding pickleball paddles, graphic art style and this is what it came up with 😜
vs from the mind of a real person

Cartoon Pickles Pickleball Players Pickleball Team
by Invincible_Penguin
and I thought I'd give MidJourney a shot at it too... even more bizarre (it is much less literal..)
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09-29-2022 10:21 AM
Oh wow! I think your job is safe for the moment! I keep wondering if I just needed to be more specific, or if it simply couldn't handle human faces - I tried a few flowers and stuff which were OK, but it kept designing them so they were cut off and you only got half a flower. It also didn't seem to be able to handle generating images of words, which was interesting. Hmmmmm...
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09-29-2022 09:12 AM
I just now spent time reading how their pricing works, which is in "tokens." I can understand why they've done this but think that having to constantly consider the math involved whenever designing something would stall me out very quickly. I understand pennies and dollars, but tokens? Nope.
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09-29-2022 10:17 AM
You get 50 free credits or tokens when you sign up, and then 15 free ones each month thereafter. Each token or credit gives you one generation or sentence which outputs 4 separate images. So it doesn't cost you anything to play with it, though clearly it might take some... um... refining of technique to come up with something usable!
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09-29-2022 09:59 AM - edited 09-29-2022 10:10 AM
MidJourney does a (somewhat) better job on human faces.... but it doesn't seem to want to output anything that doesn't look like a painting... This is what it gave me when asked to produce a portrait of a family at Christmas time, specifying that it should be a photograph.... it still has a hard time understanding that human eyes really do need to be at least close to the same size and shape, when they are on the same face...
Though if you do some refining and give it a chance, it can come up with some pretty striking images. This is what it gave me when asked to produce an image of a beautiful beaux arts woman picking irises near a pond, after a round of variations and a round of refining. It's actually quite nice.
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09-29-2022 10:15 AM
OK wow! Perhaps I should give that one a try!
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09-29-2022 10:19 AM - edited 09-29-2022 10:20 AM
It's a little more technical than Dall-E - you start here: https://www.midjourney.com/home/ , but you need to make a Discord account to actually use it. Definitely look at the tutorials, as there is a bit of a learning curve to setting it up and using it... I've only done the free trial version, but there's a subscription service that gives you more access and as far as I can tell, you own all the rights to the images you make. It is definitely fun.. It does a very good job at dreamy, kind of surreal imagery.
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09-29-2022 10:35 AM
Thanks! I'll check it out!
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12-14-2022 10:14 AM
I couldn't fin anywhere to enter the text in MidJourney.
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12-14-2022 10:26 AM
You enter the prompts in a Discord chat room. There's a quick start guide here that hopefully will help: https://midjourney.gitbook.io/docs/
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12-14-2022 10:48 AM
To complement the Midjourney doc that Badeesie posted, here is a starter guide video:
The Midjourney workflow takes some getting used to because you have to toggle back and forth between two websites.
Midjourney uses Discord to interface with the actual server so all your work primarily takes place on Discord, so you need a Discord account too.
Discord website: This is where you issue commands to the Midjourney bot and this is where the images are generated.
Midjourney website: after the image is created on Discord, press the Web button below the image and it takes you to the Midjourney website. The Midjourney website is where your images are stored and where download them.
tl:dr- You make the images on Discord, they get sent to the Midjourney website, you download them from there.
It's counterintuitive and annoying to have to toggle back and forth between two websites but I think it's ultimately worth it, given the power of what this AI can do.
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09-29-2022 02:25 PM
Perfect for Halloween! lol. But cool resource to check out (perhaps only for non-photo needs 🙂 ).
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09-29-2022 03:20 PM - edited 09-29-2022 03:20 PM
@Cat May I pick these images to post on a Facebook group? It's a fun Brazilian Facebook group where people edit photos. It would be nice to see the guys trying to fix these images and also see their reactions. 😂 (The name of the group is "Grupo onde fingimos ser fotógrafos", which means "group where we pretend to be photographers").
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09-29-2022 11:50 PM
Absolutely! I thought about trying to fix some of them myself, but it would probably take me the rest of my life since my Photoshop skills leave a bit to be desired!
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09-30-2022 12:33 AM
This post should have come with a warning! How horrible they are, you should post a public review of the product on their site, eeeeeeeeeek! 😂🤣😆
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10-03-2022 10:32 AM - edited 10-03-2022 10:55 AM
Hahahaha! Trigger Warning: You are about to encounter Demon Spawn!!!!! 😂😱👹😆☠️👿 I haven't found a place to leave them feedback yet. One would hope they actually look at some of the stuff their system puts out so they can tweak the software!
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10-03-2022 10:53 AM
Ostensibly it should improve on its own as it works more and more… I’m not sure, however how they are “rewarding” their algorithm for getting it right.
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10-04-2022 12:42 PM - edited 10-04-2022 12:44 PM
I tried Dall-E some time ago after stumbling on it somewhere. It was free, no sign-up, and very slow to render then. I believe the output was also restricted from commercial use then too. So it was just "mmm, that was interesting" and moved on. Since your post, I've been playing with this new iteration that is Dall-E 2 and it is absolutely fascinating not to mention addicting.
On the main Dalle-E page there is this render in the gallery:
This got me wondering about copyright on the dog & cat images "pulled" to make this copyright-free "composite". Which led me to do a bunch of reading on how Dalle-E works (much of which is way over my head) and it turns out, images aren't being "pulled", they are genuinely being created from nothing, based on your text input. It's not regurgitating & combining images "pulled" from somewhere, it's making a wholly new image from what it's learned a dog and a cat and white etc is.
The model's been trained on hundreds of millions of image/text pairs and draws on that memory to render things.
The best layman's explanation I ran across explained it like this -
If I said "Cat, draw a bird perched in a tree holding a flower" you'd draw what according to your memory and life-experience you think of as a bird, flower, tree ... You didn't copy anyone else's imagery, you just drew from nothing what you interpret those things to be. That's what Dalle-E does. Amazing huh?
Your drawing is going to be completely different than my or anyone else's drawing. But if I refine the request to "draw a woodpecker perched in a pine tree holding a yellow rose" everyone's drawings are going to be more similar though still different.
I think as designers & promoters who are constantly thinking about tags & keywords and how I would describe this vrs how customers would describe this, I think we can use that experience in prompting Dalle-E to get closer to what we want. We should be naturals at this. 😉 Results are still hit or miss but to me that's part of the fun. It's like hiring an artist to paint a mural. You can tell them what you want but the final result will still be a surprise due to the artist's own perception.
Anyways, thank you for bringing this newer Dalle-E 2 to light. It's just amazing technology. I think calling it software is like calling the Neuschwanstein Castle a lil' shack in the woods. I can see buying lots of credits to experiment with this. (So maybe not thank you LOL).
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10-04-2022 03:08 PM
Yeah, AI is pretty interesting stuff. They say that the more specific you are in telling it what you want the better, but honestly, I had some trouble getting it to do what I wanted especially in terms of where I wanted xyz image inside the picture. I was trying to make some mock-ups for wedding signs and it kept giving me signs that weren't centered or facing forward like this:
I tried everything I could think of to get it to give me a sign facing forward and this is what I got...
Hmmm... Perhaps I just need to learn how it thinks so I can better tailor my requests.
The other thing that drove me batty was that I was trying to get it to output some flowers, but it kept cutting them off like this... Gah!
Well anyhow, I think that it will probably get better as it "learns" and hopefully I'll get better at telling it what I want. It's certainly fun to play with!
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10-04-2022 03:29 PM - edited 10-04-2022 03:30 PM
Come for the weding. Stay for the fonwand font. It is comical and frustrating. But I think we're seeing its' first steps (it was only just opened to public in the summer) and it will get better with time. Like a baby, it will eventually learn by being exposed to many inputs.
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10-04-2022 03:36 PM
Hahahaha! Hopefully it will get better, and even as is, I've been able to get some useful stuff out of it. I had to do a LOT of hand editing to make this one usable, but the final product isn't half bad!
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10-04-2022 05:41 PM
Mock-ups! That's actually the first thing I tried. An input of “a square white throw pillow on a modern black couch against a yellow wall” yielded these four images:
I was trying for 'green screen' colors that would be easy to replace in PS. The lower right image has potential, if I wanted to use more credits I could probably even add prompts for frames for artwork on the wall and such. But since I do very little active promoting, this was just a test for potential that I didn't pursue further yet. But yeah, this AI rendering is a game-changer for sure and I think as time goes by there will be more and more sites with tutes on how to word things to get closer to the results you want. We're all in the learning phase right now.
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09-30-2022 01:21 PM
First creation using this AI -- a watercolor owl with a Santa hat. I had to crop out its background, add the pattern and the stripes, and of course add the text fields. Not too difficult, although it did take some trial and error to get an image that worked.
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09-30-2022 04:28 PM
Wow! That looks great! Perhaps it's a useful resource after all... just not for pictures of people!
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