Issue with my commissions calculations being skewed

Alaingb
New Contributor II

Hello all, newbie here. Since customer support is al little slow to answer, I thought I would post a copy of my email to Zazzle here. Here it is: 

"

Hello,

My name is Alain Braux. I own WorldArtBoutique on Zazzle.

Being a retired businessman, I am concerned about the low commissions I receive from Zazzle.

I have set up my commissions at 15% (recently at a lower rate). Yet, I see:

On 7/25/2023 Sale $12.57. Commission should be $1.88. I got $1.80. Short $0.08

On 8/1/2023. Sale $17.98. Commission should be $2.69. I got $2.56. Short $0.13.

On 8/25/2023. Sale $14.24. Commission should be $2.136. I got $2.03. Short $0.11.

On 11/5/2023 7:01:50 PM 1 Sale $8.08 12.0% (why?) Got $0.78 USD. Should have been $0.97. Short $0.19.

On 11/8/2023 5:38:44 PM 1 Sale $11.80 12.0% Got $1.14 USD $1.14. Should have been $1.42. Short $0.276.

On 11/14/2023 11:36:55 AM 1 Sale $9.48 15.0%+ Got $1.07 USD $1.07. Should have been $1.42. Short $0.35.

On 11/24/2023 3:53:29 PM 1 Sale $9.13 @15% + $2.25 @5% Got $1.11 USD. Should have been $1.36 + $0.4425 = $1.4725. Short $0.36

On 11/30/2023 6:17:09 AM 1 Sale €20.14 @ 15.0%+ €2.30 EUR++ or $2.35 ( on Thursday 30 November 2023 1 EUR = 1.0895 USD) thus, I should get a $2.50 commission, NOT $2.35. Loss of $0.1558 on that exchange rate plus my commission @ 15% should have been 3.021 E or $3.2913. Short $0.94 (getting bigger)

On 12/3/2023 3:32:51 PM 1 Sale $16.35 @ 15.0%+ $1.47 NZD++ = $0.86**. Should be $2.4525 or $ 1.50 NZD. Short $0.6426.

So, in 9 transactions, I lost a total of $3.07. I know it does not seem to be much but multiply that by thousands or millions of transactions, that comes up to a lot of money.

So my question is: Is Zazzle skimming money off creators' commissions?

I would appreciate your prompt and honest feedback on this grave issue.

Sincerely,

Mr. Alain Braux"

9 REPLIES 9

PenguinPower
Valued Contributor III

There are numerous things that affect your royalties- if the referral for your product was “third party” you give up some of it to the referring entity. If your buyer used 3rd party content, same. If your buyer uses an add on/upgrade, like a frame on a poster or higher grade of paper on cards that results in an upcharge, that portion of the sale royalty is calculated at a straight 5%, if you set your royalty rate to 15% or greater there is a fee… there’s more too. You aren’t being cheated, the rules are simply convoluted. 

it looks like much of what you are noticing may be the transaction fee - For royalties 15% or higher,  a Transaction Fee of 5% of the gross royalty is deducted. You can avoid this by setting your royalty to 14.9% or you can simply set your rate higher to make up the difference.

Penguin

Being a pragmatic person, I need clear and easy to understand explanations with examples. 

Question 1: What it "#3d party": Explanation + example easy enough for a child to understand. 

Question 2: What does "None" means: Explanation + example easy enough for a child to understand. 

Question 3: Promoter Program. Another issue I am not getting a clear answer about is the Promoter Program. If a friend is using my direct link i.e.: zazzle.com/store/storename, is that "3rd party", "none" or something else I have yet to see?

Why I am asking? A friend of mine bought a mug through my direct link and I have never received my Promoter Program royalty. 

Also, what is that "carve out fee" I hear about?

Question 4: What is it? What is it about?

Why are we charged a 20% "carve out fee" if we set our royalty level at 15%, under the pretext that it will not allow us to competitive on Zazzle platform. Is it not OUR decisions to make without being punished for it?  

I am just looking for clear answers, not obscure marketing terms difficult for a Frenchman like me to understand.

Anyone here is welcome to answer. 

Thank you, Mr. Alain Braux 

 

ColsCreations
Honored Contributor II

@Alaingb 

Everything is inter-related so can't really piece out the answers into short tidbits without a general understanding of how it all works.

On Zazzle, you can earn money in two ways:

1) When people buy a product you published you earn a Royalty.
This is the % you choose yourself (minimum of 5%). The royalty rate you set affects the final cost of the product to the customer. The royalty is calculated on how much the customer actually pays for the item. If you list the item for $20 but the customer uses a 50% off promo and thus only pays $10, then your royalty is calculated on that $10, not $20.

2) When you successfully send a customer to the zazzle domain from elsewhere and they buy something, you can earn a Referral.
You can earn Referrals on your own products and the products of others. The referral system is dependent on cookies which are basically a marker set by one's browser after visiting a link and transmitted to Zazzle so they know who if anyone to credit the referral to. Zazzle's cookie rules as to how long they last and when/how another cookie can override yours are complicated and honestly I've let them all just wash over me without caring because you cannot control what's happening on the customer's computer.
Referrals pay a flat 15% of the total the customer paid and do not effect the purchase price the customer pays.

So ...
When you look at your Royalty History, the second column shows "Referred?" and it will be noted as None, Self, or 3rd-Party.

None = NOBODY earned a referral credit for that order
Self = YOU earned a 15% referral credit on that order
3rd Party = another Zazzle member or Zazzle themselves was credited with the 15% referral

If the sale was referred, meaning it shows as Self or 3rd Party, then 20% is deducted from your gross royalty. This is what is known as the "carve-out" fee. You can look at it as paying a part of your royalty to the person who led to that sale by sending the customer to Zazzle.  

Regular affiliates earn 15% of the total sale as a Referral, on their products or the products of others, if their cookie "stuck" and they are thus credited with leading the customer to Zazzle. This is achieved by having ?rf=yourNumber in links you share. Promoters (people who have opted to join the Promoter Program 2.0)  can earn a 35% referral on the sale of their own products but earn nothing if the product purchased wasn't theirs. This depends on the type of link they use; they do still have the option of sharing links that will earn them 15% on anything. It's a gamble but if you're confident in your product and your target audience, that 35% instead of 15% is a sweet deal.

As far as I know, referrals always earn a flat 15% of the order total (or 35% if you're a Promoter and it was your own product on a promoter link) - there are no fees deducted from referrals. 

Royalties on the other hand, that is where fees get deducted from.
20% "carve-out" if the sale was referred.
5% transaction fee if the royalty rate was 15% or greater.
If the customer added one of the background images from another designer from within the design tool, that'll reduce your royalty a bit. Likewise if they chose a "user option".

 

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Wow lots reduces your royalties! What besides the promoter programs up's it?  just some pun

Alaingb
New Contributor II

Hello Penguin. As a newbie, I am not familiar with some of these terms. 

Can you explain what "third party" is? 

What is the reason for a punitive "Transaction Fee" for 15% and over? 

Would setting my rate higher to absorb that 5% Transaction Fee not price me out of the market compare to the competition? 

Thank you, Alain

Windy
Honored Contributor II

Sometimes a shopper comes directly to Zazzle to search for an item and lands on your product  and buys it. There is no third party in that sale. Sometimes the shopper comes to Zazzle after first following a link seen on Twitter or Facebook or a blog. If that shopper buys your product after being referred by such a link, that's a third party sale to you. Sometimes the third party is Zazzle itself, as a shopper may follow Zazzle's ad to get to the site. 

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Lais
Contributor III

Set your royalty at 14.9%. For 15% or more, there are fees. 

Also, when a sale is referred by a 3rd party you will receive 0.8 of your royalty. This means that if someone buys something for 100$, instead of receiving 14.9$ you will receive 0.8*14.9 = 11.92$. 

"3rd party" means that someone got to Zazzle through someone else's (a 3rd party) advertising. 

ColsCreations
Honored Contributor II

This may be helpful to you:

Earnings Calculator - No Math Required 🙂  

On 11/14/2023 11:36:55 AM 1 Sale $9.48 15.0%+ Got $1.07 USD $1.07. Should have been $1.42. Short $0.35.

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There is also a reduction for sales to non-US domain to cover costs related to processing VAT taxes. (See notes at bottom of your Royalty History page.)

Would setting my rate higher to absorb that 5% Transaction Fee not price me out of the market compare to the competition?

It's a pretty minor fee, setting your royalty to 14.9 or lower to avoid it doesn't pay off. You don't have to go very high to "absorb it". I did some figuring a long while back but the results were lost when the old forum went away. So I don't remember the exact numbers but there was a small window from 15 to 16.something where the fee did result in earning slightly less than if you remained at 14.9%. Past that you always earned more even with the fee applied.

Congratulations on all your sales!

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Barbara
Esteemed Contributor

Five or more years ago, I sat with my calculator, going up incrementally in percentages until the fee was overcome by the percentage and I would actually gain a little bit. That percentage was 20%, so that's what I set it to and then waited to see if it reduced my number of sales. It didn't, and I've never looked back.

I suspect the reasoning behind the fee for anything 15% or more is to keep designers from setting high royalties and thus pricing themselves and Zazzle out of the market. I think, however, that it may be time to raise the threshold, given that commission rates now average (from what I've found) around 20%. I doubt Zazzle will change the 15% threshold, but it's a thought.

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