Sales down ?

Peter222
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My sales have not been on par with what is the norm. They were down over Xmas for sure. Is anyone else seeing this ?

 

TY much Peter 222

 

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Westerngirl2
Contributor III

Yes, it seems that many of us are experiencing dismal sales. I've been on Zazzle for 12 years, and my Jan & Febr sales are down drastically....back to 2015 sales levels, I believe. I've always experienced an annual growth in sales (and number of products I have available), but the dive started late 2023, and seems to be getting worse, unfortunately.

Best of luck to you! I'm trying to hang in there, but have to come to a point where I'm realistic about time spent in relation to revenue earned.

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Rachel_E
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I just stopped by to check because the same is happening with me.  I had a drop of almost 50% in sales. I do believe the economy is playing a big part on it. Which is very frustrating because we also depend on Zazzle money to complement my income. I've done it all, invested in covers, increased social media presence but nothing is working. 😞 Good luck to all, stay strong! 


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Same. My payment for this month is depressingly low. I've been fortunate to do fairly well here, and if this trend continues, I'll need to find a way to make up the difference in income.

Right now it makes more sense to focus my efforts on other ways to make money, because, as you say, putting in more work here (collections, cover images, etc.) doesn't seem to make a noticeable difference in sales.

And the people at Zazzle don't even bother to answer your questions.  They just leave you hanging.  

MissPaperFarm
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I think it's official to say I did not make any sales this month of June! My last royalty earning was one postcard I sold in May. To better help myself keep organized with my different style designs, I'm doing an overhaul on my store. Since sales are so dry, I doubt anyone will notice the migration of some of my current products to a new store I'm opening. I was just wondering, do any of you ever have sales in paper party goods like paper plates, cups, and table settings? I use to have those kinds of products for sale but I never sold not one! So I decided not to bother taking the time to create those kinds of products. I also have never made a sale on any invitations I've ever created which is interesting because Zazzle seems to encourage these types of products from designers. I also didn't think the price points and profit made sense to the buyer or the creator. The invitations are quite expensive for the buyer and the designer only makes a few cents with each sale. So, I haven't bothered on invitations either. I am curious though if anyone has had a similar experience with these party products not doing well in your store? 

Barbara
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I don't remember ever selling any paper party products, and then I stopped designing them because they simply didn't float my boat. I've since learned to design only only on products I truly like, and for sure, staying away from designs that seem to be selling for others. Some people have a knack for that; I don't. One thing that helped was finding certain niches that seriously interested me. Parties may not be your thing the same as they aren't for me. If they aren't, design for what truly sparks your interest.

All the above said, none of it is very helpful during the current slump in sales.

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Yeah, I tried it out but didn't see a profit. Walmart sells festive paper plates - 8 plates for $2, at Zazzle it's 8 plates for around $10 and the Walmart plates said they were made in the USA too. It's hard to compete with those deals 😅 I love designing for holidays so I would enjoy designing paper goods if I found a market for it, but I don't see that happening at the moment. Thanks for chiming in Barbara! I knew there surely had to be other designers here that don't feel pressure to design for every product. 

Sales usually drops at june and july, since June are preparation for vacation. and july is when people spend on outdoor activities. and those who are staying at home are usually gamers who spend money buying discount games online these summer.  but not unless zazzle push some summer sales promo, then we will have increase in sales.

On the other hand we have 766,507 search results on paper plates. it's floaded.

Barbara
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Agreed, summer has always been slow because people, even if they don't go on expensive vacations, are busy with the outdoors, be it doing a lot of day trips, gardening, building and repair, or socializing. Oh, and yard sales, a summertime favorite. The thing is, last September when I expected sales to start zooming back up, they didn't. Even Christmas was a bit anemic. I never heard of online gaming as a summer sport, more a cold-weather thing and more young male than female. Interesting.

Anyway, it's a fact that sales aren't what they once were, and there are likely multiple reasons that we've no control over.

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At least here in the U.S., in November, we may have some control over it. Even so, it may be a slow recovery; I hope not.

Anyway, I hope folks can hang on. This group of creators has made Zazzle a really special place, and I think that can continue into the future, if we all just hang on.

It's tight for our family, but I am the eternal optimist. I'll just keep on keepin' on. However, we have been forced to sell some things (including some of my artwork that I wanted to keep for family members) just to pay the bills. I don't believe in credit cards, so at least we don't have that hanging over our heads. It's just the inflated price of everything, especially in feeding our livestock. Very expensive now.

Hang on if you can; hoping for the best for all of us!

I've had some success in selling paper plates and napkins; cups, not so much. But it's never been a solid money maker for me. I notice that the ones I do sell occasionally were made several years ago and almost always have templates for customization, because they can't get those at WalMart. None of my new stuff sells; I don't think it even gets seen anymore.

Barbara
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@Westerngirl2 wrote:

"None of my new stuff sells; I don't think it even gets seen anymore."


I've had the same experience, and that's got to be caused somehow by Zazzle. I just now flipped over to my royalty listing to scan down the product column. As far as I could tell, the newest product was made in 2017. How the customer even found it is a mystery to me, given that it had never sold before. What I'm selling are old products that have had time (and luck) to sell just enough that they rank higher in the market place. We've all griped about the fact that, no matter how wonderful the design, it never pops up if it hasn't sold at least several times. This sort of thing leaves out newer products from old-timers and totally ignores all the newbies. And Zazzle's home page is still nothing much more than event-oriented. Oven mitts don't fit that bill, nor do the expanded types of playing cards. Wouldn't it be nice if customers knew those things existed?

Yeah, I'm looking forward to November too.

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Some of my products that were bestsellers can't even be found under their most reliable keywords anymore. And I'm talking about products that had sold many dozens of times, and were still selling well until suddenly...bang! I spent several months sending e-mail inquiries to Zazzle, and the answer was always "we're checking into it". But nothing. I gave up.

I don't like to complain; I've always loved Zazzle. But I can't help but believe some of this sales slump was (unintentionally) created.

Barbara
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I think the changes are Zazzle's desire to spruce things up, the problem being that they're depending on designers having a good handle on marketing and advertising along with the time to jump into it. Even the experts out there in the world aren't necessarily good at it.

Zazzle might do better heading toward simplification, making it easy for customers to find what they want.

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I have noticed the interaction from Zazzle support team here has become very scarce. They use to chime into discussions here on the forum but I have not seen that activity since like 2022. I was wondering if they cut their budget on support teams. I loved it when Zazzle had these videos on Youtube where they would introduce new tools and product to designers and even tell you how to title and tag products properly. The videos were called "Zazzle Chat" and you can still find them on Zazzle's Youtube. I wish they would bring those back 😢

Wow! I didn't even know oven mitts existed! 😂 I have noiced that the search is not as great as it use to be. I don't know what they do to it or how they program it but I searched a few simple words just to see if any of my designs came up and, they did, but like on the third page of search. The first page had some designs that didn't even have the words I searched in the title of the product! They also didn't even have media cover photos, it was just the general product photo. So, I'm no longer spending much time on fancy cover photos, it didn't seem to favor that in the search. It mostly goes by title of the product and tags. 

That's what I was thinking. Probably one upper hand would be that you can customize the paper goods here on Zazzle. I tried offering some customized products at one point, but those were not as popular in my store either. I noticed that customers want the most simplest thing: search - find - buy. Any other extra elements seem to confuse the average shopper and I don't blame them. 

wheresthekarma
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My sales are down too. I still make sales every day but my monthly sales are a quarter of what they used to be. I feel like this all coordinates with when they made all the collection changes. that is when my sales started to drop. 

Now, with the cover photos, videos and all that they are asking us to do with the collection changes it's way more work for us, and we are all making less, plus we have to pay more for programs to do the cover photos and videos. I am starting to wonder if it's all worth it. It's very frustrating after doing really good and having increasing sales for over 12 years to experience this slump.

Plus I have spent a lot of time updating collections, adding videos and and cover photos only to start getting emails from Zazzle about the very collections I have updated saying I didn't do the cover photos and videos right? Huh??? I did them exactly how they asked us to. So, now that is one more stressor. I feel like we are being  micromanaged, given more work and getting paid less. 

I have seen many posts like this and everyone I know who does Zazzle is experiencing this problem of decreased sales and new sellers are experiencing no sales. And yet, they have not given us the consideration of addressing this at all. It's very frustrating. They have time to micromanage the cover photos, videos and the whole collection thing and take time to email us telling us we are doing things wrong, but "crickets" on why our sales are all down, when we are being asked to do extra work. 

I'm beginning to wonder what the heck I'm doing here anymore. 

You definitely summed it all up! When I search keywords, some of the first products that appear are not using media product photos, it's just the auto-generated product photo. So I'm not spending time on unique product shots. I hope it's not too late for Zazzle to turn around again. I have always appreciated what they offered designers; opportunity to put their designs on professional quality products without any monthly fees. 

I agree. My sales started to go down after this:
"Unveiling an Elevated Collection Experience: Coming Soon!

Posted 7/25/2023"
You can find it in the "Creator News".
 
I think there was a change in the visibility of the products and changes in the algorithm.
 
I'm not a "Gold Seller" and don't have a high volume of sales.... Just based on the numbers of sales that I had, starting in August last year. 

Barbara
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@almdrs 

"I think there was a change in the visibility of the products and changes in the algorithm" made me run a couple searches on relatively unique bladesmith business cards I sell. The first thing I found was the usual Editors Pick list (what's the criteria for such a pick?), which pushes what are actually more relevant designs down. Even though I found a couple of my cards on the first page, they were mixed in with unrelated cards. Is someone looking for a bladesmith card going to be wowed by cards for sewing? Carpentry? Manicures?

I used to do a bang-up business on "circle of fifths clocks," so I took a look and discovered the customer would have to type in "music circle of fifths clocks" to find mine. If they didn't, they got clocks with circles. Once I added "music" to the search, most of my clocks showed up along with two coffee-themed clocks at the very top. There's only one meaning for "circle of fifths." It's a music theory tool.

What's showing up in searches is likely off-putting to customers and can even make them think that what they're looking for isn't on Zazzle at all. There are probably multiple reasons for sales being down, but the godawful search tool isn't helping one little bit.

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I agree! I was testing the search the other day and way more unrelated products appear than the ones that should. I have a few editor's picks and I noticed that not even my editor's picks show up on the first page of a search, so I'm not even sure the editor's picks even help at this point. 

ColsCreations
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There are probably multiple reasons for sales being down, but the godawful search tool isn't helping one little bit.

I believe there are number of factors contributing to the decline in sales many are experiencing, but I think this is one of the big ones. Given the overwhelming over-saturation of products in any niche, a user-friendly & efficient search is absolutely essential. I couldn't pretend to understand the expertise required to develop & maintain a smart search engine but Zazzle's is really suffering and I think the level of complexity on Z is a major contributing factor to that.

First, there are the specific product types as determined by Zazzle per the blanks you use to create a product, and then the categories you as the Creator can assign something to. So for example you can design playing cards but instead of having them at the default of
Sports, Toys & Games --> Toys & Games --> Card Games --> Playing Cards
you can choose to instead put them in
Weddings --> Invitations & Stationery --> Wedding Invitations
So if someone is searching for keyword + product type, assuming no product type is used in the tags, would search see this item as playing cards (actual product type as defined by Z) or wedding invitation (product type defined by Creator). Then there's the tags we as Creators choose to influence search results. And there's the product type Z usually automatically appends to the title which invisibly factors into search in unknown ways. And all these things can conflict with each other.

Second, we have product types that can also be keyword descriptors, further snarling search. Like say a pillow (product type) with a design featuring a steaming cup of coffee. Coffee cup is also a product type but could rightfully be used in the tags to describe the pillow design so now we have people searching for a coffee mug getting pillows in their results.

Describing a design is subjective so in addition to these technical complications, we have Creators, intentionally or not, using inappropriate tags. Did you all know that temp placeholder template text is factored into search? So if you are searching for, say, 1st bday invitations, you might also get 2nd bday invitations - because '2nd Street' was used in the template text as part of the sample address. In this vein of inappropriate tags, we have the influx of spam accounts purposefully tag-spamming/stuffing so that, say,  their tshirt featuring an apple for Best Teacher comes up in searches for 'german shepherd lover'. This is something I think Zazzle could do something about, but as is it's on us to report the egregious examples of such we encounter so they are hopefully removed.

On top of all these programming hurdles, sometimes search is just inexplicably borked.  You can see my posts in the Tech forum for two prime examples re 'police american flag' and 'tie-dye leggings'. Another one I found today after publishing my second-ever wedding invite is that a search for multiple keywords including 'doves' + wedding invitation yielded 880 results. Scrolling through the first 5 pages of results (300 products at 60 per page), there were only four products scattered among the results that actually had doves as part of the design. Three had doves in the design and used 'doves' somewhere in the tags and/or title. The fourth had birds that were only described as 'love birds' in the tags. The other 876 results were irrelevant to my search as the designs included no birds at all, doves or not.

And then there are people saying that despite their product having tags that match every single specific keyword used in a search, they aren't included in results at all.

I've been running on in detail here but bottom line is, yes, I believe the problems with search is indeed a major factor in declining sales.

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Brava! I could not have said it better! I have a store with solid z rank 9 for years now - I sell a lot in that store, still sell today but my sales dropped to 25% of what it was before the collection change, for no good reason.

Worse, I did spend money in subscriptions for images to make covers, spend a lot of time making product cover, specially for those that are really hard because they need to match Zazzle product format, such as paper plates and cups. I spend hours and hours updating the store, I am aware that there is still a lot of things to be updated but I feel like the more work I put on the covers, the less I sell. I have very limited time so I only focused on my Zrank9 store.

I have just stopped now and decided to branch out to other Print on Demand websites to see how it goes. If I had used the energy I used on creating covers on putting designs in other sites, I would have been much better off right now.  To be frank, that is what happened before with Cafepress and I moved to Zazzle. It is very frustrating.

Sorry for the rant!

 

 


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Boki
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Sales have not been going well for a long time, they are disastrous, they have been standing still for days... Unfortunately. 😞

Barbara
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@ColsCreations 

Thank you for truly fleshing out the complaint.

The search function is too loose, too broad. It's as if a cloud form of search is being used where a word reminds the algorithm of this word, which in turn reminds the algorithm of another word, and so on until the search leads to totally unrelated designs and products.

As far as I know, search has never been good here. Back in around 2015, a friend wanted to buy a specific apron from me. She knew the exact title, typed it into the search box, and the apron didn't show up. I found it for her, she bought it, and then told me she'd never shop on Zazzle again because it was too difficult to find what she wanted.

I've recently rejected shopping on two different sites because their search wasn't good. Instead, I found places where the search led me directly to what I was looking for. My husband claims he can't be bothered if the company itself can't be bothered.

We're not the only ones missing sales; Zazzle is missing them too.

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So many here have reasonably and thoroughly pointed out the problems we see. We use the site daily. Think of how frustrated the average customer who comes here searching for a particular design on an item must be. I also have had the experience of someone seeing an item of clothing I designed for sale here, asking me where I got it, and then them trying to find on the site, only to get frustrated and give up.

It shouldn't be so hard, and there shouldn't be so much keyword confusion. Col's Creations well explained example (thank you!) of the search for "apple for Best Teacher" bringing up "German Shepherd lover" is something I've complained about for years. Yes, I report them. Do the offending products get removed or re-tagged? Sometimes, but not always.

And yet, I have golf balls and other golf related products that have "Biden" or "Trump" in the title, in the keyword, in the description, sold many times over, having cover photos, in collections, and yet, even though that particular product does not have more than 147 total brought up in a search, and even after asking "why?" time and again....a year later it is not brought up in those search results. It still sells occasionally, due to my marketing, I assume, but nothing I do can make it appear in a customer's search.

Frustrating, all of it. Zazzle has told us that all the new stuff they have asked designers to do will improve their market standing. OK....but will they listen to our problems and help us out on this end? Because what they've asked us to do isn't solving our problem, it appears.

MissPaperFarm
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I'm in the process of creating my second store. As I tested the search, I noticed that search appears to pick up mainly on the title of the product and then the product's tags. It seemed the products that showed up on the first page had the keywords, if not the actual search sentence like, "Cabin in the woods card" as the title of the product. Also, the tags were utilizing 4 to 5 word phrases. For example instead of just "cabin" "woods" "card" the tags were "cabin in the woods card" "cabin with pine trees card" "camping lovers greeting card." (These are just examples) I have been trying to follow that same approach with my new listings. It's a shame I can't be more creative with titles, but unfortunately I have to treat the product titles as if they were the actual search phrases.

I also noticed that there are some subjects that are not yet saturated with products. One of them being A-Frame cabin. I have a design with an A-Frame cabin and I only saw my designs and maybe two others. I think there was only one page of designs! I've sold a few prints, but it's so niche, that's probably why there isn't a lot of designs for A-Frame. You never know though, it could get trendy. I just wanted to point out that there are some subjects that hardly have any designs and maybe in those areas, new designs will stand out. But for popular or trending subjects, it's going to be really saturated and feel practically impossible to be seen. In those cases I have no idea what works because it didn't seem like the product cover photo mattered much. I was almost thinking that products that are already high sellers may be shown first possibly...

Multiple stores are useless it only confuse the buyer, I followed a creator who is currently a Pro Diamond, she only have 1 store but with a wooping 25K products. because multiple store doesn't help sales and people only use search on zazzle to find specific products. our only hope on getting notice is through recommendation. or affiliate marketing.  collection is probably more useful. some creators even delete stores, noticing that zazzle algorithm don't care about their multiple stores. zazzle only promote items within the collection of the same store, not their other stores.

Barbara
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@chuamishael 

Early in my presence here on Zazzle, I created two additional stores and found they did poorly. I finally determined that separate stores were no better nor worse than creating categories. A store devoted to a single design or product type didn't attract customers who searched on specific products or design types, which could be easily incorporated into a single store. Then there was the problem of those products that suited multiple stores but a decision had to be made about which store would house the product. For instance, a pillow store might have a country design that also suited a rustic category in the main store. Collections could help because we can include products from multiple stores, but the same thing can be done if all the products are in one store. I realized all this before the two extra stores had grown too large and posted each of those stores' products for sale in the main store, then deleted the extra stores.

I can see having a separate store for designs that are unsuitable for the main store. For instance, designs that have adult content only.

@MissPaperFarm 

I think I've noticed the same as you, that titles draw more weight than expected, but I'm not sure because I tend to use the same words in the tags. When my title is plain vanilla, it's because I can't come up with anything unique, which means the same problem exists for the tags. I mean, how many ways can you title or tag a product that displays a single red rose?

In the end, we may all be better off if we design for niches. If nothing else, this gives us a wider array of descriptive titles and tags.

Wouldn't it be nice if Zazzle gave us a clue to how the algorithm for titles and tags actually works? How separate stores may or may not benefit us? Maybe explain why they focus mainly on events? Yes, they probably sell better, but couldn't that be because Zazzle promotes them so heavily, sort of a self-fulfilling prophesy?

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Tagging now seems to be a bit different than in the past. I just solved my problem of my best selling Biden golf ball not showing up AT ALL in search results.

The title of the product has always been the same, and has Joe Biden in it. I did not change that, but I did change the tag "Joe Biden" to just "Biden". That simple change made all the difference. It now shows as the first ball on page 1 of search results when I put in "Biden Golf Ball".

What has me confused is that the ball has been a top seller since shortly after it was created in Jan of 2021. It always showed up in searches under "Biden" until sometime early in 2023, when I discovered it no longer appeared when using the same search criteria. What changed? And why, after months of e-mailing back and forth with Zazzle, could no one there tell me why it didn't show up?

You can bet I will spend the next few days researching some of my other missing products and examining the tags. It would be nice, though, if Z could chime in and explain why the search engine doesn't pick up on a word in the title (Biden)....even when it's included as a key word phrase. I should also add that, when I searched within my store under "Biden golf ball", it always showed up. Probably why I never thought about making the change from "Joe Biden" to just "Biden" earlier.

The first tags I'll be looking at are products with Trump as the key word. (I'm an equal opportunity offender...lol!)

Barbara
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With "Joe" as the first word in the title, was it suddenly showing a lot of coffee mugs and things of that ilk? If so, it would mean the algorithm has been changed to give much heavier weight to the very first word in the title. I'm going to take a look at some of my "circle of fifths" titles to see if that's why circles show up instead of the the circle of fifths.

Interesting.

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No, no coffee mugs. But then I searched for "golf ball" so that should have excluded them.

Let us know what you find out above the circles and clocks, though.

 

That's terrific, I know the golf ball situation was dogging you for a long time, I'd even tried searching for them before.

Is this the first time you've edited  the listings since the problem began? I'm wondering if it wasn't removing Joe from the tags but just editing them in some way that pulled them back out of the void?

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I believe changing tags was one of the things I had tried in the past, with no success. And I had even created a 2nd product, being exactly alike but with a different color of frame and text, and with different title and keywords, and that would not show up, either...even though it did eventually sell about a dozen times. Weird. It was searchable under key words like "funny" or "political", so I assumed that is how it was found.

I wish I could say I figured it out, but in the limited time I've had today to experiment, about the only thing I can say for sure is that it's inconsistent! One of the other golf ball designs that would not show up had both "trump" and "donald trump" in the keywords, and "Donald Trump" in the title. I've made changes there this morning, but it will take awhile to see if I have any success. I took Donald out of the title, as I'm leaning toward the conclusion that the title of the product carries the weight. But figuring out why a first name combined with a last name seems to be a problem is above my pay grade, I think.....hahaha.

Barbara
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I guess it's a wait-and-see for both of us. This morning I made title changes to only a  couple products, and will watch them...unless I get involved in something else and totally forget.

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Well, I guess you can disregard most of what I thought I had "discovered" about changing tags and titles. I changed the titles and tags on another six products in the "Biden" and "Trump" themes, and, after 6 days, there is no change in search visibility. All of these products have sold, have (mostly) hundreds of views, some have likes....one sold just a few days ago. And they all have cover photos and are in collections. But none of them show up under the most important keywords, which are, of course, "Biden" and "Trump".

I have no idea why the one golf ball started showing up over a year after it disappeared from the MP. Now when I search for "Biden" it is the 1st one on the search page, so obviously it was a great seller before it lost its visibility.

There seems to be no rhyme or reason to it. I don't have the time or the heart to search for other previous best sellers that seem to have just stopped selling. Have no idea how many of them are affected by this glitch. I give up....which is probably what Zazzle expects us to do with these problems, since we get no answers.

MissPaperFarm
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@chuamishael Yes, I agree, multiple stores don't appear to make much of a difference for sales or visibility inside of Zazzle. I've been making a new store because I have two different styles of art I want to brand outside of Zazzle. I'm taking the opportunity to start fresh and reintroduce myself to everything, studying how it all works compared to how it was working when I first started years ago. 

@Barbara That's what I was mentioning before is how Zazzle use to have YouTube videos called Zazzle Chat. In one video they did talk about how to tag and title products, but it appears the process has changed since then. Unfortunately, they don't seem to have a designer support team anymore or they really cut back on it.

I also noticed that the product titles are searchable outside of Zazzle too! I googled Desert Hacienda House and one of my designs appeared in the search! However, it was linking back to Pinterest which then linked to Zazzle 😂 It's a crazy link, tag and search game. 

Barbara
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@MissPaperFarm  I decided to give your search a try on DuckDuckGo, first checking your hacienda homes in your store to see if I'd come up with it on a different search engine. Nope. All were photos except for one, and it led to the Spanish version of Pinterest. It likely indicates nothing other than that the two search engines don't go to quite the same places, but it was interesting to see the difference.

The chats could be quite informational, not to mention putting real human beings behind the names that periodically showed up in the forums. At that point in time, we had an email address for designer help, one that worked well. I keep thinking their staff was reduced during the lockdowns and never recovered. It happened to a lot of businesses.

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Wow, thanks for checking! I sometimes wonder if searches show pictures that one has looked at before like an algorithm. It could have been showing me my own product because I've looked at it before. Either way, that's sad to know it doesn't show up for others haha. But I am re-naming that product and re-listing it as well. I'm moving it over to a different store. Something to note, today my mother received an email from Pinterest, advertising that a product she pinned from Zazzle is on sale! That is interesting to know. Hopefully people pinned some of our designs and it's letting people know they are on sale.

mrdoodle
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Hmmm... to be totally honest, I'm a design, upload, repeat kind of guy. I hardly ever browse the marketplace UNLESS it's a POD like RB where I have to catch design thieves on a daily basis. I just checked Zazzle. I don't seem to have problems with my designs/products appearing in the search results. I seem to be placing all over the first 10 pages for my designs/products (main keywords) BUT This "could" be because I WAS affected but Zazzle corrected whatever was the issue and now it's been fixed.

Let me explain. I have this theory that Zazzle is working on issues and rolling out fixes that are affecting store by store.

Store 1 : My main store (about 10+ years) is in a boring boring but necessity niche. Sales started dipping since the start of the year, but got concerning 3 months ago. I realized that folks were probably not buying because my products which were already marginally higher priced seemed out of price (because of Zazzle's price change??) now. So I reduced my prices to market average about a month ago . Sales volume has recovered markedly, but am still down profit wise because of reduced profit margin. I don't think profit will recover to what it was a year ago until the economy improves and folks have more money in their pockets. Could be because of fixed issues by Zazzle OR price adjustment????

Store 2. My other main store (about 4+ years) is an artsy, whimsical funny niche. Last 2 months, sales dropped by more than 70%. Could be summer. Could be the economy, but this month, seems to have suddenly revived. Nothing done on my part. I did not adjust prices or anything.

So... reading this thread, it "could" be that whatever you guys have noticed in the search, Zazzle has been working on it and implementing fixes that are happening store by store.

I know lots of you guys are hurting. I wish you the best. Don't lose hope. Keep plugging on.