Two Factor For Chat???

glitterandchic
New Contributor III

I realize that Zazzle is having issues with the Chat and spammers, however, having to go through two factor authorization every single time a customer writes to me with a question is too much!  Way too much.  I wasn't thrilled with this feature in the first place because I feel it confuses customers.  However, that being said, if I have to go through this process to have an ongoing chat with customers over a design, I'm absolutely done.  It should be able to verify us ONCE, and then allow us free use of the chat.  I had to authorize several times just to discuss a design with the same customer.  If you want the designers to talk with your customers about our designs don't make it time consuming and difficult.  At present I will be ignoring customers that request chats until this is improved.  I just don't make the much on these customized designs and about half the time they don't even order. 

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James
Creator Team
Creator Team

Hi everyone, 

This is not a bug. We can confirm this is a new feature that we just announced, here

Thank you. 

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Cat
Honored Contributor III

WTF?!? My phone plan charges me by the message. So now I have to pay for the privilege of telling customers that I can't help them with shipping and they need to contact customer support?!? Seriously?!?

I'm actually a little bit freaked out by this. Is it even for real or has Zazzle been hacked? I'm not giving out my phone number until a Zazzle moderator confirms that this isn't a scam of some sort.

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igiftcenter
Valued Contributor

Wouldn't using an email verification be more useful and more convenient since the Z system already has the email address we use to log in to Z?????  In this way no new information needs to be stored anywhere.... z already has our account login email address.

Any thoughts here? James would this be an option that can become the default?

Malissa
Valued Contributor II

I have been able to enter the chat system several times without re entering the info after the first attempt.  someone could send me a message to test it out, but maybe its a browser setting causing the multiple requests?

 

That said, I think this is a reaction to the insane amount of chat spammers we have and is a step forward as far as that is concerned. 

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Cat
Honored Contributor III

I finally gave up and entered my phone number, but it took so long for the message to arrive that when it finally did the code had expired and I had to have them re-send it. I was able to get into chat (yippie! I get to tell another customer that I'm not the right person to contact - sorry for the sarcasm, but over 90% of the chats should go to customer support not to me.)  Then I closed the chat screen and tried entering it again to see what would happen. Half the time I got the popup asking for my phone number again, and half the time I didn't. But I was able to make the message go away by refreshing the screen. I think maybe those were screens I had open before I verified with my phone number?

If this is for real and not some sort of a scam, I'm OK with it as long as it can remember me and not make me re-enter a code every single time. Even entering it once a day is a pain - I'm not one of those people who leaves their phone on all the time. I work from home so I have an emergencies only plan and I only turn on the phone when I'm going out. 

There are Zazzle designers who don't have cell phones though. What are they going to do?

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James
Creator Team
Creator Team

Hi everyone, 

This is not a bug. We can confirm this is a new feature that we just announced, here

Thank you. 

Babawich
New Contributor II

This is great. Can we also get this for our whole account and not just chat?

Please NO!  Or make it an opt in option so that those of us who do not want to go through it are not forced to. Thanks.

Babawich
New Contributor II

Should be opt in like a lot of other services. I for one would have it on for better security.  I do it for everything else especially when it involves money and personal info. 

Connie
Honored Contributor

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! WE DO NOT WANT IT FOR OUR WHOLE ACCOUNT!!!!!!!!! AFTER RECAPTCHA IT IS THE WORST PAIN IN THE NECK EVER INVENTED!!!!!!!!

Sq
New Contributor III

@James, this is not working for me in the UK.  I choose UK from the dropdown, put in my number and either it looks ok but I don’t get the text, or else it tells me to contact customer service. I have messages awaiting a reply and it’s really frustrating!

Sara_H
Honored Contributor III

@Sq if you try on the .co.uk site and don't enter the first 0 of your mobile number - that should work (did for me)

Sq
New Contributor III

Thanks Sara, but I’m doing that already. Zazzle tech are trying to sort it out for me.

 

 

Sara_H
Honored Contributor III

@Sq Goodoh! They'll fix it I'm sure 😁

James
Creator Team
Creator Team

You should only have to verify via sms once to be able to chat. If you are experiencing something else, please let us know. 

WHS_Designs
Honored Contributor II

the article New Feature: SMS Verification - Zazzle says "within the U.S.", but when I log into the Zazzle Canadian domain, I'm being prompted for my phone number on chat there, too (and asked to tell Zazzle more about myself). I hope I don't have to verify on every single Zazzle domain every time I sign on and someone sends me a chat request!

WHS_Designs
Honored Contributor II

FYI, it's a one and done for me ... did it once (signed into the .uk domain) and I don't have to do it again for the other domains).

Bliss
New Contributor II

Tried several times and never received verification code to my mobile. now I can not request code and it says ""too many spam SMS detected. Try again later"

Jadendreamer13
Valued Contributor III

I never get any chat requests. Maybe that’s because I don’t design for the wedding niche….

ColsCreations
Honored Contributor II

2FA is such a pain but it's everywhere these days. Usually though it's used as an extra step for logging into an account. After you go through username & pw (which a hacker could have), it sends the verification code to the phone number you have on file and even if the hacker knows your number as well, they don't have your actual device to see the verification code needed to finish logging in.

I don't understand at all what this is accomplishing for chat though. You can't send a message anonymously; if you try it prompts you to log-in or create an account. Once you enter your phone number, it says "thank you, your phone number has been verified". What does that actually mean? Is it checking some public records database to see if the name on the phone account matches that on the zazzle account to verify it's your own phone number? Is it just verifying somehow that it's a real in-operation US phone number? I don't understand what's stopping spammers from just entering a phone number and receiving the verification code like everyone else?

I just went through my account settings and chat settings and don't see anywhere to view and change the number we entered for this. I'm glad I didn't make a typo and put the wrong one in.

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Cat
Honored Contributor III

Same thoughts. You could just enter any phone number, it's not like they already have a phone number on file for you that you've independently verified, so the scammer can just enter their own number. And if you have to re-enter the phone number each time it REALLY defeats the purpose. Maybe they're checking against a database of known scammers? Who knows.

I dunno. Part of my grumpiness here is just that while I own a smartphone, I have real trouble making it do anything. But it appears that using it is going to be a requirement for participation in modern life so perhaps I need to invest some time in figuring it out. I do this every few months, but since I don't have any real reasons to use the thing, I promptly forget everything I learned. Someday I'll figure out how to find my apps! Sigh. 

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CrazyMermaid
Valued Contributor II

I actually have three smart phones that I use for different purposes. There is one that I always keep in the same drawer so I can call my personal cell phone when I lose it. Then I have a business phone. I guess I could use the drawer phone for my verification phone if I have to. The two extras are just tracfones and not very expensive. I do get charged by the message though. So I will be really pissed off if I start getting charged for incoming messages that should be for Zazzle customer service. If I only get charged for replies, I won't be making any.  Finally given the track record that other changes have had on Zazzle I am going to wait a while before even considering doing this. Usually something needs to be fixed. 

Cat
Honored Contributor III

Hahahaha! I love that you have a phone that's sole purpose is to use to find your other phone! 

Anyhow, if it's any consolation, I went to chat today to see if it would ask me to verify myself again and it didn't. I don't log out when I close my browser though, so it keeps me logged in. Not sure what would happen if you try to open chat after you log out and log back in.

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ColsCreations
Honored Contributor II

Same. I submitted a phone # to be "verified" last night. In my regular everyday browser where I am always still signed in to Zazzle unless I purposefully sign-out, I did not have to re-enter a phone number to access chat. Today I tried a different "virgin" browser that is set to not save/remember anything, and once I logged into Z w/ name & PW, I was able to access chat with NO additional requirements for a phone number. So while there may be some glitches, it does appear that the Mods are absolutely correct in that you only have to enter a phone number one time to get it on record, then after that as long as you're logged into your account you can access chat with no issues/restrictions/prompts about 2FA & a phone number.

And oh my gosh yes @CrazyMermaid really made me laugh re having one phone whose sole purpose it to locate another phone. 🤣 Oh, the joys of technology.

 

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I don't have a landline, so it is really hard when I lose my phone and there isn't anyone else in the house to call it. I wish I could call my glasses, when I misplace those! I am quite blind without them, so sometimes they can be close by and I can't see them. 

Cat
Honored Contributor III

Hahaha! I'm DOOMED without my glasses!

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CrazyMermaid
Valued Contributor II

I logged out to see what would happen. I was still able to contact a fellow zazzler. Although there was a message, that she could see that I was a not a trusted source or something like that. Customers will love that. 

You must have a landline or live-in partner. So when you can't find your cell phone, someone can call it for you. I just got tired of having to email for help!

Cat
Honored Contributor III

Wait, so if you're logged out you can send a message you just can't read/respond to messages? Hmmmm...

And I do have a landline which I am loathe to give up because I just HATE talking on cell phones because if you both say something at the same time it cuts you off and it makes me crazy. Plus, I'm home most of the time, and when I'm not, I don't actually want people to be able to reach me! But I seldom lose my cell phone because I never use it! It's always sitting in the box with all of my charging cables. If I'm lucky I can remember to keep it charged so I can turn it on and use it if I need to!

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Mariholly
Valued Contributor

And if you are anywhere else outside the United States? If you don't provide your phone number, will the customer not be able to ask you questions? Are you thinking primarily about greater security against spammers? Then, as already mentioned, the spammer will receive your code, and you'll be able to chat without any issues, the spam filter will work and block them... And so on in an infinite loop, just like with fake phone calls? I'm not really sure it will work if that's going to be the use. I haven't received any notification yet when logging in.

CrazyMermaid
Valued Contributor II

I am not dealing with this. I would rather deal with spammers than this. I haven't been enjoying the customer service part that much anyway. They can just figure out they need to deal with Zazzle customer service. 

My initial gut reaction to this advancement was, ya' know, it is not Zazzle's fault.
There have been countless posts in recent months re "Is this a scam?" when it is CLEARLY A SCAM, and at least two posters who actually gave up their $ account numbers. So then there were also a bunch of posts about Zazzle needing to do something about this to protect users from their own gullibility. And now that they have done something (though I don't understand how this particular step is actually helping) there's a backlash. It's a circular situation resulting from people wanting Zazzle to protect them from their own lack of common sense.

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I wasn't one complaining about spammers. It was never an issue for me. Report and block what was so hard about that? Now this? Great. I use 2 factor verification for financial accounts. This is not that. Well if customers can't reach me, fine. I never wanted to be a free customer service rep anyways. 

Same. I barely received messages anyway, and half of those were meant for a Zazzle employee. No more chat for me. I am absolutely not giving Zazzle my phone number just so they can send me ads.

Fiorenzo
Valued Contributor II

I live in Italy. Entered my mobile number, got the SMS instantly, edited the code, and was done in 3 minutes. Was asked only once. Note: In my account settings, I have my landline number (I use mobile only for emergencies and such verification SMS) and had no issues having 2 different numbers. Plus it said that standard tariffs apply but I didn't get charged anything (yet).

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colorblends
New Contributor III

Here we go again. I can see 2 message notifications in my inbox but when I try to verify my number, it gives me an error and suggests contacting customer support. I am not in the USA and not sure how it works with other international Zazzlers. At this moment, I am just sitting and wondering who would have messaged me since I cannot see them. There should have been an easier way of handling this since we have creators from all over the world. 

James
Creator Team
Creator Team

Hi @colorblends , it should work the exact same. Please follow the steps outlined here and you should be in in no time. You only have to do this once to verify your account. So it's once and done. 

If anyone is not having a once and done here, please let me know. 

Also, @CrazyMermaid , your number is being used just to verify your identity. This is an added layer of security for all of us. We are not using it for any other purpose like chat notifications, promo emails etc. Just for verification. 

Thank you. 

Polenth
Contributor II

Chat is where customers go when they really wanted Zazzle support. I've always wanted to just turn the feature off for good, so customers don't get confused and I don't have to deal with it. So I'm not signing up my phone number for a feature I hate and never wanted. Customers will get no response from now on. Please let me turn it off, so that doesn't happen.

hellena
New Contributor II

Hello, is there a way to change the phone number? I may have input the wrong one

 

ThankYouAlways
New Contributor III

I have been having an error message too @James I am outside the US. I tried my cell number had the error message then I tried my landline which worked accept they couldn't get a code to me. I was wondering if there is another way, may be an automated phone message or email response in the near future if it still doesn't work?

klstock
Valued Contributor

Hi, I posted this https://community.zazzle.com/t5/ideas-suggestions/zazzle-please-offer-an-email-option-for-two-factor... under ideas & suggestions asking Zazzle to add an email option for the two factor verification. For those of you here who have expressed you also are not liking the idea of providing a private cell phone number, it would be helpful if you could chime in there too.